Simon Hall confession – A Time to Take Stock by Professor Julie Price (Originally published by Jon Robins of The Justice Gap 5th Sept 2013)

Having today (13th May 2019) checked The Justice Gap site run by Jon Robins, after some 6 years, it would appear Jon Robins has removed Julie Price’s innocence fraud article headed “Simon Hall confession – A Time to take Stock?

The cache still reads: 

5 Sep 2013 · Simon Hall confession: a time to take stock. ‘Gobsmacked’, some said. Others were ‘Stunned’, writes Julie Price. But whatever the language of choice for miscarriage of justice observers, the common reaction to Simon Hall’s confession last month was: ‘We didn’t see that coming.’

However the page is no longer found with an error message reading 404 https://www.thejusticegap.com/simon-hall-confession-a-time-to-take-stock/

Julie Price has had several articles published on The Justice Gap over the years, see archive here https://www.thejusticegap.com/author/julie-price/page/2/ and here https://www.thejusticegap.com/author/julie-price/

For educational purposes only Julie Price’s article, along with the original comments at the foot of her article, have been reproduced below;

The Simon Hall Confession: A Time To Take Stock by Julie Price

Julie Price

‘Gobsmacked’, some said. Others were ‘Stunned’, writes Julie Price. But whatever the language of choice for miscarriage of justice observers, the common reaction to Simon Hall’s confession last month was: ‘We didn’t see that coming.’

Setting aside any questions (and there are many) as to the circumstances surrounding his confession after maintaining innocence for 12 years, this turn of events will not have helped the cases of genuine victims of wrongful conviction, as suggested in early reactions from the ‘no smoke without fire’ brigade.

The UK’s university innocence project world may now take stock, and try to assess how it should manage any consequential damage to the credibility of our daily operations.

When the flagship hits the rocks
There is no doubt that the Simon Hall case was considered a flagship of the UK’s university innocence project movement, which has developed apace since the first project at Bristol in 2005, closely followed by Leeds and Cardiff. It has possibly reached its peak of between 25-30 projects operating with varying degrees of activity at universities in England, Scotland and Wales, with new ones emerging and earlier projects closing along the way.

Those of us working in this most difficult of pro bono/clinical legal education fields have closely followed the Simon Hall case since the last ever episode of BBC’s Rough Justice filmed Bristol University students working on the case with Hall’s then solicitor, criminal appeals stalwart, Campbell Malone.

Publicity
Hall’s case was played out on a very public stage. It was different to most others partly because of the ferocity of the campaign and its soap opera qualities. There were family feuds. One Stephanie (Bon) created a Justice4Simon website, facilitated the involvement of the BBC and worked relentlessly giving vital early support, only to be replaced by another Stephanie, who married Hall in prison. Stephanie Hall argued with many.

But the loyal wife’s dogged determination led to the CCRC apparently bowing to pressure and giving her regular updates on their work, a service that evaded others conducting cases more quietly.

As well as press releases from Bristol University and its related Innocence Network UK (INUK), there was other regular web activity, with vitriolic outpourings by rival forum members using pseudonyms, being enthralled and appalled in equal measure by the slanging matches that were played out for all to see.

Hall’s wife uploaded a plethora of letters and documents, suggesting that other named individuals were responsible, and with a poignant ‘Elephant in the Room’ photo reminding us of the dearth of evidence, constantly calling for her innocent husband to be released to avoid perpetuating the ongoing injustice.

The 2011 appeal decision
When Hall’s appeal decision was due in early 2011, we eagerly awaited the anticipated first-ever case involving a university to be overturned by the Court of Appeal. It would be a ‘milestone’ for university innocence projects, the Observer commented. When the conviction was upheld, we were shocked.

That was not because we naively accepted what Bristol University said, but because we had read for ourselves what was in the public domain, often so eloquently and wholly seeming to undermine the evidence against Hall.

Keeping the faith
Despite the 2011 appeal being lost, our collective faith was not. Michael Naughton and Gabe Tan of Bristol University gave passionate interviews to a pro bono online resource, Human Rights TV, condemning the decision. This confidence in the unsafety of the conviction was reinforced to us outside observers when the defence fibres expert wrote a powerful letter to the Court of Appeal challenging the Court’s understanding of his evidence. Bristol University’s press release urged that Simon Hall’s conviction ‘cannot stand’.

With hindsight, there was little mainstream public interest in the case outside of Suffolk where the murder occurred. Outside of the small miscarriage of justice community, Private Eye ran pieces, keeping up the pressure.

Wider problems and pressure
There were also difficulties behind the scenes, about which outside observers could only speculate. After the failed appeal, it seemed that Simon Hall had ‘sacked’ his legal team in favour of innocence project representation. If this were true, it would have been an uncomfortable development in the eyes of those of us who consider that the relationship between the practising legal profession and universities is core to the sustainability of innocence projects.

Hall’s supporters routinely reminded Keir Starmer of his words for Rough Justice that: ‘The one crucial link is the fibre evidence. Break this and the case disappears.’

Hall’s wife regularly made changes to the website: information came and went. The pressure on the CCRC was huge.

Fast forward to September 2013. So, one month on from the August 8th news that Simon Hall has confessed to the murder, ‘hoodwinking’ (so say the Daily Mail) the BBC and MPs, where does that leave us, the universities that have invested many years in working on alleged wrongful conviction cases?

The UK innocence project world is still poised, waiting for its first case to be overturned with the help of a university. I don’t say ‘by’ a university because this can probably only be achieved as a result of a collaborative effort embracing pro bono lawyers, experts and journalists. But how far away are we from overturning a conviction, and will it ever happen?

A legend in our own academic backyard only?
What is most striking from newspaper coverage of Simon Hall’s confession is that after eight years of hard slog, university innocence projects still do not seem to feature in the nation’s consciousness. When you are immersed in something so all-consuming, there is a tendency to believe that everyone knows about your work.

I don’t think that university innocence projects have even scratched the itch on the nose of the miscarriage of justice problem, even though they have played an important part in teaching our future lawyers about the iniquities of the criminal justice system.

In newspaper coverage immediately after the confession, none of the pieces in the Daily MailThe TelegraphThe Independent or other local and national newspapers mention the involvement of Bristol University’s innocence project in Hall’s case (the BBC does).

Statistics
Northumbria University’s Student Law Office achieved success in overturning the robbery conviction of Alex Allen in 2001, and subsequently securing compensation for him of £170,000, but this was not through the vehicle of an innocence project.

No UK innocence project has yet been involved in overturning a conviction.

The Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC), the body charged with looking into possible miscarriages of justice, has statistics on the involvement of innocence projects in submissions to them, with caveats that their data mining is not perfect, and may not be accurate because of the ‘many variables in the way people might describe involvement’ of an innocence project.

Also, the CCRC’s figures do not distinguish between universities involved with the INUK and those that are not. (For the uninitiated, the INUK is a network of universities working under that umbrella, led by Bristol University, with members but no democratic constitution. Most university innocence projects are members of INUK; others have never joined or have left, for example Cardiff, Leeds, Westminster, London Innocence Project. Other universities run criminal appeals clinics that are not called innocence projects, for example Northumbria, Derby, and now Birmingham).

The CCRC’s results show that as at February 2013 there were 60 cases or submissions at the CCRC where the phrase ‘innocence project’ occurs.

  • Of these, there were 18 substantive submissions where the applicant had been represented by an innocence project. This is not 18 different cases, but it includes Responses to Provisional Statements of Reasons.
  • Seven are cases where it seems projects were assisting in some other way short of reviewing or representing.
  • 17 were cases where the CCRC supplied material to a project but no representations had so far followed.
  • Five were where the CCRC suggested that applicants might consider contacting a project.
  • 13 were cases where innocence projects are just mentioned in correspondence in some other way, including two mentions of a USA Innocence Project, a complaint that a project had had a case for three years and then dropped it, a complaint that the applicant could not get a project to help, and a complaint that the applicant had been told that his case meets criteria, but that the project was too busy to take his case.

So, looking more closely at these figures, the bottom line appears to be that of the 18 substantive submissions, 10 of these were from our project at Cardiff Law School (on sixdifferent cases) and four were from Leeds. Neither Cardiff nor Leeds are INUK projects.

Of the INUK universities, three of these submissions were from Bristol (two of which were on the Simon Hall case), and one was from Gloucester.

In addition to these CCRC figures, Bristol succeeded in having a case referred from the Scottish CCRC, and Lancaster University had an appeal heard directly at the Court of Appeal, bypassing the CCRC.

Since these figures were given by the CCRC in February 2013, Sheffield Hallam has also recently submitted a case to the CCRC. Cardiff has made a further two substantive responses to the CCRC, we are on target for submitting another two new cases in the autumn, and we hope soon to take another case directly to the Court of Appeal.

I do not have information for other non-INUK projects but from the CCRC’s figures, it would seem that they have not been involved in making substantive submissions.

This statistical information is not available generally, so if these figures do not tally with others, for example those generated by INUK, then corrections are welcomed.

However, these figures are miniscule in the overall picture of applications to the CCRC. it is fair to conclude that innocence projects are not yet having any real impact outside of their educational remit. By way of historical context, the BBC’s Rough Justice series is credited with overturning the convictions of 18 people in 13 cases over its 25 year existence. The Simon Hall case was the last ever Rough Justice film, and was not typical of its previous investigative content, instead portraying the work of the innocence project students. The penultimate Rough Justice film, about the Barri White & Keith Hyatt case, was responsible for the new evidence which led to their convictions being quashed at the Court of Appeal.  Thanks to Rough Justice, the miscarriage of justice world yesterday welcomed the conviction of Shahidul Ahmed for the murder of Rachel Manning, the crime for which Barri had been wrongly convicted. We should rightly mourn the demise of such investigative journalism programmes and keep the Simon Hall confession in context.

The future?
The wider miscarriage of justice community, including university innocence projects, has other pressing concerns:

1.Vital opportunities to obtain evidence and documentation post appeal have been seriously hampered following the dismantling of the Forensic Science Service, and the current decision in the case of Kevin Nunn.

2. Awareness of the iniquity of Joint Enterprise convictions is increasing courtesy of hard campaigning by the voluntary group JENGbA (Joint Enterprise Not Guilty by Association). Casework organisations have yet only seen the tip of the iceberg of this category of convictions, many of which appear wholly unjust and unjustifiable, but antiquated laws are being used disingenuously to secure convictions in the name of tackling gang culture.

3. As seen in the debacle following the prosecution of police officers in the Lynnette White murder case, protecting the integrity of the criminal justice system seems to remain a national priority even in the light of the Hillsborough review.

4. There seems to be an increasing abandonment of the burden of proof in sexual offence cases, particularly historical ones.

5. Criminal legal aid is being decimated. The inevitable slashing in numbers of criminal appeals practitioners will adversely affect those claiming wrongful conviction, and numbers of miscarriages of justice will increase.

6. There are increasing numbers of convicted people maintaining innocence on various unofficial ‘waiting lists’ who may never get the chance to have their case looked at properly. There are myriad practical and ethical issues that accompany this sort of scenario.

7. There is a difference between campaigning and conducting casework, but sometimes lines are blurred. Recent years have seen the emergence of a new breed of ‘casework assistance’ organisations – and therein lies a ticking time bomb. They tend to be run by legally unqualified people who in most cases have a solid interest in miscarriages of justice, and perhaps an academic qualification. Some call themselves a ‘national service’, which is entirely inappropriate, misleading and worrying. The danger is that these are wholly unregulated, probably uninsured, with no quality control, and unlike universities and other funded organisations, are formally accountable to no-one other than the (usually vulnerable) client. A few years ago, a new charity recruited law students and others with promises of financial remuneration. A number of individuals, universities and organisations were taken in. In one particular case precious files were entrusted to that “charity” on the promise of a professional review and assistance, only never to be seen again after the charity folded and one of its founders went off to experience prison life from the inside.

8. Virtually unheard of in other university real client work, innocence project activity leaves academic staff exposed to the perhaps inevitable but wearying squabbling (and worse) that sadly seems to come with the territory. As well as being humbled by the resilience and goodwill of many victims of miscarriage of justice and their supporters in this small community, I have been disappointed to observe turf wars and jealous guarding of territory. It’s little wonder that those of us who have dedicated years of our lives to this work often feel that we are on a hiding to nothing. Criminal legal aid lawyers are a dying breed. If university colleagues brave enough to take the plunge into these muddy waters become understandably frustrated by logistical problems and lack of progress, topped off by petty wrangling, and choose to move into ‘easier’ pro bono work, that will be a valuable resource lost to the whole miscarriage of justice community in increasingly difficult times. The possibility of this should not be underestimated: most of us are in this because we are committed to helping, but we all have a breaking point.

Given this heavy duty political, cultural and practical context to miscarriage of justice work, it is not viable to be an innocence project tourist. It’s not the sort of work you can dip in and out of if you are a university wanting to set up an exciting new real client project. It carries with it heavy ethical and practical problems, and is not for the faint-hearted.

Heads, parapets and reflection
For me, the saddest consequence of Simon Hall’s confession will be if long-standing, wise, respected supporters of miscarriages of justice work decide that it’s too risky to put their names to a campaign, and instead take a back seat out of the public arena. It’s not easy to stick your head above the parapet: we’ve done that at Cardiff in many respects, and we’ve been on the receiving end of friendly and not-so-friendly fire. But we are still here, largely due to the sterling efforts of my colleague Dr Dennis Eady, and because Cardiff Law School has to date invested in us.

We have learned lessons about publicity. Our educational project, Cardiff Casewatch, planned to chart our six cases on their journey through the CCRC’s system, in real time. That idea was put on the backburner largely for various practical reasons, but we plan to update the webpages to report the ultimate outcome.

Prompted by the credibility issues created by Simon Hall’s confession, perhaps it’s time for universities individually and collectively to evaluate whether the current model of innocence projects is working effectively. It is not, in my opinion. We could look strategically at other possible collaborative alternatives, along the lines of the Inside Justice, the miscarriage of justice investigative unit operated by Louise Shorter at Inside Time, the not-for-profit national newspaper for prisoners. Inside Justice works collaboratively with experts and lawyers and has a pro bono advisory panel of eminent experts who conduct cold-case reviews of cases. The unit’s first case has just been submitted out of time to the Court of Appeal and another is under review by the CCRC. As well as facilitating hard-to-find expert advice Inside Justice is also bridging the media gap and working to get publicity for deserving cases and hoping to inspire the next generation of lawyers and experts just as Rough Justice inspired so many.

The Centre for Criminal Appeals is also an attractive idea. Central to its working model is the need for a qualified lawyer to lead the case, who may access core funding through legal aid even if now at drastically reduced rates. They say, “Prisoners may tell their lawyers things they have not told their wives, or bright-eyed students”. The Centre’s founders also emphasise the need to be able to progress a case “under the radar” arguing that sometimes it may be easier to right a wrongful conviction without the media and campaign groups in constant attendance. The Centre’s test case, which resulted in the quashing of the prisoner’s conviction, is relatively unknown. The CCA recognises from outset that collaboration with campaign groups on strategy, a wider advisory group, and proper core funding is essential. Those elements are essentially absent from our university innocence project movement, which bears no resemblance to that in the USA. The UK version, whilst of admirable intention, has evolved and reacted ad hoc without any democratic underpinning and with no obvious publicity or other strategies; the absence of core funding undoubtedly puts unsustainable pressure on the two individuals who run it.

The future for alleged victims of miscarriages of justice isn’t bright, and universities aren’t going to change that. The fault lies with a problematic criminal appeals system which appears to value protecting the integrity of the system at all costs, even if that means sacrificing some innocents.

University innocence projects should arguably be more transparent in the information they pass to the outside world, within confidentiality constraints. In this way, false expectations can be avoided, even though academic intellectual property and career progression drivers might instead prefer to closet information. We should recognise and reflect upon our shortcomings, reinforce our educational remit, and properly manage the expectations of our clients and students. We should think long and hard about what publicity opportunities are appropriate and which are best passed over despite any inclination to the contrary that any publicity is good publicity: it is not. We need to retain a healthy dose of scepticism but not lose the humanity and fresh eagerness which is the value that our keen young students can supply. We need to have meaningful ethical conversations to discuss at what point we need to close a case, rather than carrying on regardless. We need to work even more collaboratively with colleagues in journalism, forensic science and so on.

A fair number of innocence projects nationally will soon be reaching a crossroads/brick wall stage, after several years of frustrated operation. They will move from the honeymoon period towards despair and helplessness, feeling overwhelmed, realising that upping gear to ‘crusade mode’ is not what they signed up for. So when something happens like the Simon Hall confession, this has the potential to justify and accelerate plans for exodus. Those of us who have invested thousands of hours of our time will naturally feel (at best) disappointment at our cause being undermined by the confession, setting back casework by years, precious time that could have been spent on genuine cases. But how can a worthy case be differentiated from one that will eventually throw up evidence of guilt? The short answer is that it can’t¸ and we shouldn’t beat ourselves up about it. Perhaps guilty prisoners do see universities as a haven for keen young things over whose eyes the wool can easily be pulled: after all, they have nothing to lose (apart from the progression problems of prisoners maintaining innocence, which is another harrowing story). But to say that the BBC and Bristol University were ‘hoodwinked’ is unfairly disparaging. There are many reasons why people maintain innocence, and the Simon Hall confession could have happened to any of us.

Eight years on from the start of innocence projects in the UK, it is difficult to reflect positively upon where we might be in another eight years from now, but this is because of issues far more wide-reaching than Simon Hall’s confession.

In the meantime, may you Rest in Peace, Joan Albert, and others. Please be assured that, as well as potential victims of wrongful conviction, the victims of crime and their loved ones are always at the forefront of our minds.

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  • Author: Julie Price

Professor Julie Price is head of pro bono at Cardiff Law School, and director of Cardiff Law School Innocence Project; Higher Education Academy National Teaching Fellow. Julie’s background is as a solicitor and Legal Practice Course tutor. Her voluntary positions include being a founding trustee of the Access to Justice Foundation’s Welsh Regional Support Trust, Reaching Justice Wales. She is a steering group member of LawWorks Cymru, and on the advisory group for the Centre for Criminal Appeals and FACT (Falsely Accused Carers and Teachers). Julie’s articles are her personal views (not those of Cardiff University and/or Cardiff School of Law and Politics)

6 responses to “Simon Hall confession: a time to take stock”

  1. DAVID JESSEL says: September 9, 2013 at 9:22 am What a thoughtful piece. What surprises me is how little media sneering there has been, and I’ve been trying to work out why. My sad conclusion is that it is yet another reflecton of the fact that miscarriages of justice have fallen so far off the public and media radar that we aren’t worth a story even when we get it wrong.
    I don’t think it is right to put that down to the ending of programmes like Rough Justice and Trial and Error – their demise was the consequence of this apathy; the people who commission television these days just don’t ‘get’ these concerns – and if they do, they regard them, as did one head of Channel 4, as ‘rather eighties’. Civics is not top of the list in today’s media world. Maybe it’s because the Irish cases are no longer fresh; maybe it’s because emphasis on the victims of crime leaves less room for the concern over the victims of justice; maybe it’s because the CCRC is deemed to be there to put things right; maybe it’s because Thatcher’s children now run the media playground; maybe people have legitimate, new social, moral or political concerns; maybe because fewer people will have concerns about historic or intrafamilial child sex cases after the odious Savile.
    My CCRC friends tell me that this just shows how ‘unsafety’ rather than innocence should be the criterion. I’ve never bought that. Such a view simply entrenches that bloodless tendency which reduces injustice to the formulaic, tick box exercise so comfortable for lawyers (one extremely grand lawyer believed the CCRC should be ‘the anteroom to the Court of Appeal’) I wanted to refer Simon Hall because I believed (wrongly) that he didn’t do it. I know it’s not very lawyerly, but I’m rather less interested in giving the guilty a get-out-of-jail-free card. Speaking only for myself, I think if I was incapable of imagining the plight of someone (Sally Clark, anyone?) who had lost freedom, family, hope for something he or she had not done…. then I might have gone into advertising instead.
    It is a lesson for INUK that you always have to reserve a part of your brain for the possibility that the person you campaign for just might be guilty. A belief in innocence is vital, but not to the exclusion of key critical faculties. I’d like to hear from Michael Naughton on this.
    So where do we all go from here – especially in a climate where more innocent people are likely to end up in prison? What’s needed is some sort of breakthrough in a whole category of cases; just as matters such as convictions based on identification, duff forensics or confessions made an impact that went beyond individual cases, so, perhaps, getting together behind those who have made the running on something like Shaken Baby Syndrome might be helpful in bringing home the double tragedy of bereavement and injustice. We have a tendency, us lot – and Julie has done us a service by laying it bare – to be proprietorial about our cases; a Jeremy Bamberite may not be on speaking terms with a Susan Mayite , an Eddie Gilfoylite may be mocked by a Brian Parsonsite. If we put our collective weight behind a class or category of miscarriage of justice – and we all know that many babies aren’t killed in the way it’s claimed, but sadly the best our honest defence experts can say is ‘we just don’t know how it happens’ – then this may be a way forward.
  2. Bob Moles says:September 10, 2013 at 3:30 amI was really interested to read the piece by Julie and will be keen to share it around. The comment by David Jessel got me to thinking about the comparisons between what we have done in Australia and how that relates to the work of the UK innocence projects. Networked Knowledge was set up in 2000 and since then has been an independent project, not university based, and which conducts research, publishing and advocacy in relation to miscarriage of justice issues. Like some of the UK projects, we have had a principal case we have worked on – that of Henry Keogh. Over the years we have attempted to bring his case to the Court of Appeal – the High Court of Australia, the medical board and tribunal (in relation to forensic pathology evidence at his trial) and appeals from those decisions. However, we have always seen our work on his case as part of a broader strategy, to identify systemic errors and to challenge and develop institutional responses to them. In our book (Forensic Investigations Irwin Law Toronto 2010) we recommended the establishment of a CCRC in Australia. We put a Bill to the Parliament to that effect and that was referred to a review committee. In our submission to that committee we were able to outline a whole series of cases over the last 30 years which were, in our opinion, seriously deficient. The common cause (picking up on David’s theme) was the work of a forensic pathologist who it was said, was not properly qualified for the task. Following the above appeals, and the failure of the petitions for review, we took the matter up with the Human Rights Commission for Australia. We said that the procedural obstacles to substantive review of those cases amounted to a fundamental breach of international human rights obligations. The HRC agreed. They issued a report to the parliamentary committee in which they said that the failures meant that the appeal system, throughout Australia, failed to comply with the international human rights obligation to protect the right to a fair trial, and to ensure that a victim of miscarriage of justice had access to appropriate appeal rights. The committee (amongst other things) recommended the establishment of a new statutory right of appeal. The government of South Australia took that up, and amended the criminal appeal rights in South Australia to that effect. This was the first substantive amendment to the appeal rights in Australia for 100 years. It was also the first time that there has been any discrepancy in the appeal rights between the various states. In the course of the various appeals there have been some very unfortunate decisions by various legal officials. A previous Chief Justice said that where a forensic expert has failed to disclose the exculpatory results of a forensic test, that is not necessarily a breach of that expert’s duties as an expert witness. The CJ failed to provide any citation of authority to support such an obviously erroneous proposition, and also failed to refer to the extensive list of authorities (Australian and UK) which said the exact opposite. A Solicitor-General had briefed an independent forensic expert to review the case, and in his written report, he said that the death had occurred as a result of sickness / accident and did not involve any criminal activity.Subsequent to that the SG recommended to the AG that the petition not be referred to the Court of Appeal for review. The Medical Board members had concluded that the work in the case was incompetent even when judged by the lowest of standards. They also said that the pathologist concerned had failed to comply with standards set down in 1908. They then went on to decide that he’d not been guilty of any ‘unprofessional conduct’. The CJ didn’t think there was anything wrong in that, although he did set aside the decision for other reasons. Now the way has been cleared for those cases to come back on appeal for substantive review. However, that doesn’t mean that sensible decisions are to be the order of the day. In one case, a person had a report from Bernard Knight (UK) in which he said that the scientific evidence given at this trial was ‘unscientific’ and that the figures which had been given must have been ‘snatched from the air’. He has a compelling case for review. However the legal aid authorities said that because he had finished his sentence and was not facing the prospect of any further period of imprisonment, it was not any longer a matter of public interest whether he had been rightly or wrongly convicted. The case is particularly tragic because the applicant now suffers from motor neurone disease. As to public interest, the death involved the assassination of a high profile criminal lawyer in Adelaide. One might have thought that even the lawyers would be interested to know if they’d got the wrong person for it. We have two cases coming back to the courts. One has received funding from federal funds (because the applicant is aboriginal) and the other is being progressed pro bono. Legal aid has not funded any case under the new appeal right, and in due course we’ll need to look at why that is so. My point is a reflection upon the comment by David Jessel. Miscarriage of justice cases often reveal systemic problems and whilst progressing the individual case, we can also progress the analysis and solution to the systemic errors. Over the years, we have published three books, one of which was a consideration of the law and miscarriage cases in Australia, Britain and Canada. We have been involved in 70 radio and television programs and a significant number of academic and media articles. All of these together with the legal submissions in the cases, and the submissions and debates in the parliament are available through our web site. Should one of our cases end up in the Simon Hall category, we would naturally feel disappointed, but we would not feel that all was lost because of the balance which we pursue between the individual case, the systemic problems and the educational and public discussions of all of those issues. We have been surprised that so much emphasis has been placed in the UK on persuading the CCRC to refer cases to the Court of Appeal. There are cases from Northern Ireland which indicate that there is a right to approach the court of appeal directly to re-open an appeal. If that does not work then surely there must be avenues to explore whether the failures in this regard amount to a breach of international human rights obligations as we have done in Australia? From a distance, it appears that in the UK some elements of the public face of innocence projects have allowed the campaigning to overshadow the research. We have made a clear distinction between the research (and associated publications) the advocacy in courts and the campaigning. We try as much as possible to keep these elements separate. The two books on the South Australian cases are available (full text and free of charge) from our web site. Wherever possible, academic articles, media comments, legal submissions, petitions, parliamentary submissions and reports on the various cases are also available at “netk.net.au”.
  3. Anonymous (Michelle Diskin Bates) says:September 10, 2013 at 10:04 amAs a family member of a terrible miscarriage of justice, the victim being Barry George, convicted of the murder of Jill Dando; the Simon Hall confession is a concern because it is already so difficult for true MOJs to be believed by the public; this confession damages the credibility of all those still fighting for justice. But this is just one case. The British Justice System makes many, many more errors when it choses to build its cases around a person, rather than on the actual evidence. One confession is not a comfortable situation for those fighting miscarriages of justice, but is it worse than keeping hundreds of innocents locked up for crimes they did not commit? All of us who choose to stand up for justice need to take this on the chin, and move on…back to those who deserve to have their cases reviewed and quashed. Our justice system uses ‘smoke and mirrors’, rather than real honest evidence to convict. The B George case is one…but the parallels with the Barri White/Keith Hyatt conviction are evident; the case was fitted around the defendants, and not around the evidence. I eagerly await the government’s response to Barri and Keith’s new claim for compensation. Keith was released at the court of appeal, but Barri went on to re-trial. Does this mean that Keith will be successful but Barri’s claim will not? After all, if the legal view is that the CPS were not wrong to prosecute Barry George, because they had evidence, and he is not a MOJ because he went for re-trial, then poor Barri will face the same prospect…won’t he?Lorraine Allen was released by the court of appeals, too. She too was refused compensation, so she took her case to ECHR, and lost…because she did not opt for a re-trial. Barry George DID, and was told this was the reason that he did not qualify. Who can now receive compensation for wrongful conviction?Questions to ponder…and yet another battle for all of us, to demand fairness from this unjust system.Michelle (Diskin) Bates
  4. mathurrinki says:December 26, 2013 at 2:43 pmAll of us who choose to stand up for justice need to take this on the chin, and move on…back to those who deserve to have their cases reviewed and quashed.
  5. Steve Sinclair says:February 24, 2014 at 5:07 pmNow that Simon Hall has apparently taken his own life it is perhaps pertinent to view his “confession” in this new light. I am sure that some will say that his suicide is a certain sign of his anguish over his guilt. I say that, on the contrary, his death may have been through pure despair.
    That despair most likely stemmed from the failure of his final appeal.Where was he to go from there? No more new evidence to rely on…the end of the road.
    His confession was more than likely sparked by the inevitable realisation that those who are deemed IDOM are unlikely to ever be considered for parole. I don’t need to spell out the treatment IDOM prisoners face compared to those who realise their guilty status and play the game to prepare them for release.
    I am not concerned by the kerfuffle over his so called confession. The bald facts of the case are that the conviction of Simon Hall was a miscarriage of justice. There was and still isn’t any evidence on which he should have been convicted. The DPP agreed, yet the court of appeal in 2011 disgracefully usurped the role of the jury by not ordering at the very least a re-trial.
    Any notions that some may hold that British justice is something to behold with respect are being naive in the extreme. If British justice was ever a shining beacon of hope for the many then it has been extinguished for a long long time.
    Bar the confession, there are echo’s here of Gordon Park and the lady in the lake case.
    In addition, as shown in the Victor Nealon case, our whole CJS is in crisis and the CCRC is as culpable as any public body in the prolonging of injustice.
  6. The burglary omission, smear campaign & hindsight.. – therealmrshspoofblog says:March 27, 2016 at 7:13 pm[…] As well as press releases from Bristol University and its related Innocence Network UK (INUK), there was other regular web activity, with vitriolic outpourings by rival forum members using pseudonyms, being enthralled and appalled in equal measure by the slanging matches that were played out for all to see. Read more here The Justice Gap – Julie Price […]

Self Confessed Train Robber Bert Kreischer & Innocence Fraudster & Psychopath Amanda Knox On Rudy Guede & Their Meeting On The Bottom Floor Downstairs In The Four Guys Apartment, The Weekend Of 20th/21st October 2007, Shamrocks Bar, Red Zone Nightclub, DJ Quentin Harris & The 5 Cannabis Plants

Shamrocks & Red Zone Nightclub – Amanda Knox Met Rudy Guede Before She Met Raffaele Sollecito

According to the evidence, Amanda Knox met Rudy Guede before she met Raffaele Sollecito.

On Saturday the 20th October 2007 Meredith Kercher was in a bar called Shamrocks with her British friends watching the rugby World Cup final between England and South Africa

After the match Meredith Kercher and one of her British friends, along with Amanda Knox all went to the Red Zone night club just outside of Perugia along with Marco Marzan and Giacomo Silenzi (who lived downstairs).

A DJ from New York called Quentin Harris was spinning that evening, as can be seen and heard in the following videos taken on that night;

Rudy Guede had been in Shamrocks and had apparently seen Meredith Kercher and according to his prison diary, while the others were at the club, he had stopped by their house to visit but found nobody at home.

The following night, Sunday the 21st October 2007, Rudy Guede had visited by the four guy’s place downstairs for the Formula 1 Grand Prix, and he found out from Giacomo Silenzi that everyone had been at the Red Zone night club.

Rudy Guede claimed in his prison diary here;

So then I went to “Le Chic” to ask about Amanda, maybe she knew where they went, but she wasn’t there.

So then I figured that she was with the guys, going out with the hanging around in the center of town.

It was Saturday others. Meanwhile I went with my usual friends, that evening.

The next day, Sunday, I went to the guys’ house and found them.

I told them that I ‘d tried, but couldn’t find them the day before, that I‘d gotten to their house late, etc., etc., then that I hadn’t seen them in the town center, and that I’d gone to “Le Chic” to ask about them and Amanda, but not even she was there.

And they told me that they’d gone after dinner to “The Red Zone”

Rudy Guede

Meredith Kercher’s Boyfriend Giacomo Silenzi’s Testimony

The relationship between Meredith Kercher and Giacomo Silenzi began following their night out at the Red Zone club.

An excerpt from Giacomo Silenzi’s testimony reads;

Rudy had asked information about Amanda because he was interested

Excerpt from Giacomo Silenzi‘s testimony – Source here

When Giacomo was asked “All there, where in the house?” he stated;

We were all in front of a pub in the center

Excerpt from Giacomo Silenzi‘s testimony – Source here

Amanda Knox met Raffaele (Raf) Sollecito on the 25th October 2007

Excerpts from a February 2009 article headed Flatmate saw scratch on Knox’s neck soon after Kercher killing read;

Silenzi, a Perugia University student, lived with three other Italian men in the basement flat below the house Knox and Kercher shared.

Silenzi said he and his flatmates were growing five cannabis plants in their flat and had started smoking joints with their four female upstairs neighbours.

When he went home for the Italian public holiday on 1 November, Silenzi asked Kercher to water the plants for him.

Silenzi and his flatmates also entertained Guede at the downstairs flat twice in October after meeting him while playing basketball on a public court near the house.

Excerpts from a Guardian article by Tom Kingston headed Flatmate saw scratch on Knox’s neck soon after Kercher killing dated 15th February 2009

Beautiful & Innocent Meredith Kercher

Excerpts from an April 2012 article read;

Murder victim Meredith Kercher’s Italian boyfriend told yesterday of the moment he first feared Amanda Knox was her killer.

Giacomo Silenzi, 22, had been dating Meredith, 21, for just ten days when she was found semi-naked with her throat cut in the bedroom of student digs she shared with American Knox, 20.

Speaking publicly for the first time, Giacomo, who described Meredith, from London, as “beautiful and innocent”, said that he first feared Knox was the killer as they waited to be questioned by police.

He told The Mail on Sunday how he and Knox were taken to Perugia police station to be interviewed on Friday, November 2, the day Meredith’s body was found.

It was here he also met her co-accused, Raffaele Sollecito, 23.

Giacomo said:

“I was on the train heading back to Perugia from my parents’ house when I got a call from Meredith’s other flatmate Filomena, who told me what had happened.

“My stomach dropped – I just could not believe it. I had spoken with her for the last time just a couple of days earlier and she had sent me a text saying she was looking forward to me coming back.

“When I got to Perugia station, the police picked me up and took me to the police station.

“I had a cast-iron alibi because I had been at my parents’ house since the Monday – it was a bank holiday in Italy. I was taken to a waiting room and Amanda was there.

“She hugged me and said how sorry she was. Then she introduced me to her boyfriend Raffaele. I had never met him before.

“I couldn’t help thinking how cool and calm Amanda was. Meredith’s other English friends were devastated and I was upset, but Amanda was as cool as anything and completely emotionless.

“Her eyes didn’t seem to show any sadness and I remember wondering if she could have been involved.

“I spoke with her English friends Robyn [Butterworth] and Sophie [Purton] afterwards, and they said the same thing. None of us could quite understand how she was taking it all so calmly.

“I knew that Amanda didn’t get on with Meredith, but I didn’t think that would lead to Amanda killing her.

Holding back tears, Giacomo said:

“Meredith was a beautiful and innocent girl. We had only just started our relationship and maybe it was too early to talk about love, but we really had an affection for each other.

“She moved into the flat above mine at the end of the summer and we would pop into each other’s places just to say hello or have a cup of coffee, the things that neighbours do.

“She was very pretty and I was also impressed with her Italian. We would share CDs and play music together.

“It was my birthday at the end of September but she couldn’t make my party because she was flying back to England for the weekend.

“She gave me a bottle of rum as a present. Most of it was drunk at the party but there is a drop left that I will now keep for ever”

Giacomo added:

“It was a few weeks after that, around the middle of October-that we kissed for the first time at a student party. Then we made love a couple of days later in my flat.

“I’m still having trouble taking this all in. If I could see Amanda, I would just ask her, ‘Why? Why did she kill Meredith?’

Excerpts from an Evening Standard article headed Meredith’s boyfriend reveals the moment he suspected Foxy Knoxy had killed his lover dated 12th April 2012

Self Confessed Train Robber Bert Kreischer & Innocence Fraudster Amanda Knox

On the 10th December 2021 Bert Kreischer spoke to psychopath Amanda Knox about Rudy Guede.

According to Amanda Knox’s book Waiting to be heard, she met someone called Bobby aka Daniel de Luna over the weekend of 20th/21st October 2007.

Daniel de Luna was a friend of the men who lived downstairs.

Amanda Knox stated;

This was the first time I’d invited a guy into my bed since I arrived in Perugia.

We went to my room and had sex, then we both passed out

Amanda Knox

Two nights after Amanda and Raf got involved, she hooked up once more with Daniel de Luna, the friend of the neighbours downstairs, and later included him on the list of sex partners in her prison diary

Excerpt from Barbie Latza Nadeau’s book Angel Face (published in 2010)

Below is a transcribe taken from Bertcast #495 Amanda Knox & ME, beginning from approximately 15:26, where Amanda Knox was seemingly referring to Sunday the 21st October 2007;

This was the guy Rudy

Bert Kriescher (from around 15:26 of Bertcast #495 Amanda Knox & ME)

Yeah Rudy Guede

Amanda Knox

So Rudy

This is another thing I , I don’t think I ever really wrapped my head round

Ru, you guys met Rudy

Let me, let me start from the beginning

So, ‘cos Rudy had come down and like hung out at your house a couple of times right

Bert Kreischer

So Rudy Guede was eh a local

Erm he played basketball

Like did sort of pick up basketball

With erm

In the local like basketball court that was in front of the university

And that was really near by my house

So the guys that lived in the apartment downstairs from us often would play basketball with him

Like pick-up games

Amanda Knox

And those were like two law students right

Bert Kreischer

So no

So the two law students that you’re thinking of are the other two room mates that I had besides Meredith

Amanda Knox

Okay

Bert Kreischer

Those are two Italian women

Amanda Knox

Oh, oh okay

I thought those were dudes

I must have clumped them in

Okay

Yeah

Bert Kreischer

Yeah

So we lived on the top floor of a house

And on the bottom floor there lived four guys

And they were all just doing their thing

Eh it was a separate apartment situation

But we would occasionally go out to dinner together

Or like go out to a club together

Like, it just

You know, household dynamics

But they would go and play basketball

And have pick up games with whoever was there

Including Rudy Guede

And occasionally those people would come over to their house

And one time Rudy Guede came to their house

And they invited us to come downstairs

And that’s when we met Rudy Guede

Amanda Knox

And Rudy, kind of

If I’m not mistaken

He had a crush on you

Bert Kreischer

That’s what they say

I don, I didn’t know that

Apparently after we went and like hung out with them for a few minutes

They were

They sort of

After a while me and Meredith just went back upstairs

It was time to go to bed

And afterwards it was when they were sort of talking about us

And Giacomo one of the guys downstairs had a crush on Meredith

So I’m sure that they brought that up

And maybe Rudy Guede said something about me

That’s at least what was said

When I, I was on trial

But no one ever told me that

I didn’t even actually know his name until I was already arrested

Amanda Knox

Really

Bert Kreischer

Yeah

Amanda Knox

Roberta Glass Goes Over Peter Hyatt’s Statement Analysis & A Transcript Of Curt Knox’s 20th November 2007 Capanne Prison Visit Referring To Rudy Guede

Roberta Glass from the Roberta Glass True Crime Report has a new 2023 series on Amanda Knox, which can be found by tapping on the button below;

Roberta’s two YouTube videos below go over Amanda Knox’s evidence regarding her and Rudy Guede and are worth watching and listening to.

At around 48:00 of Roberta Glass’s video Amanda Knox Changes Her Story Again! (below), Roberta goes over Peter Hyatt’s statement analysis of Amanda’s statement regarding a shower she said she had with Raffaele Sollecito and how they “..had a shower and we washed ourselves for a long time” and that Raffaele “cleaned my ears, he dried and combed my hair”;

Previous Blogs Including Amanda Knox & The Cult Like “Wrongful Conviction” Movement

Tap on the buttons below to read previous blogs which refer to Amanda Knox;

Killer Luke Mitchell: Partial Transcript of James Hunter & Alan Carrick From United SK8S Ltd Podcast & Gaslighter Sandra Lean On The “Weird” Story About The Note Through The Door, The Wee Saturday Girl & Her May 2023 Excuse For Why She Couldn’t Attend The Murderers November 2004 Trial (Part 219)

Did The Group From Work Who Went For A Drink After Work Include The Wee Teenager Who Worked On Saturdays?

The first warning bell sounded loud and clear one evening in a local pub. A group of us had gone for a drink after work and everyone was talking about the murder. I voiced my concerns and a spirited debate continued amongst me and my friends for the best part of an hour. A man, who had been sitting at the bar throughout, abruptly thumped his glass onto the bar and walked over to our table. He stood for a moment, ensuring everyone was aware of his presence, before bending towards me. “You’d better watch what you’re saying around here,” he growled, before straightening and walking out. We sat in silence for a few moments – there was no mistaking the threat. I was both upset and angry
– my friends and I had had many debates regarding the murder, the investigation, the focus on the boyfriend and we were always willing to hear each other out and respect each other’s right to individual points of view. Until this point, none of us had ever been threatened for expressing our opinions.
It was to be the first of many. I became intimately involved in the case when Luke’s mother, whom I had never met, put a note through the door of the Natural Health Centre I ran, saying she had heard about my approach to the case and wondered if I could help her family

Excerpts from Sandra Lean’s 2nd innocence fraud book IB (foot of page 18, top of page 19)
James Hunter & Sandra Lean
Alan Carrick & James Hunter

The Other Side Of This Case Has Been Hidden Away By Psychopathic Killer Luke Mitchell & His Gaslighting Enablers For Almost 20 Years

Sandra Lean was on a podcast in late May 2023 with Alan Carrick Aka Just Another Monkey and James Hunter Aka The Fly Fifer.

The following statements were made by Sandra Lean during the podcast;

It’s not difficult now to find out the other side of this case

It’s not, you know

Hidden away

Statements by Sandra Lean published on 28th May 2023 from 6:13 here

Sandra Lean Did Not Attend The Murderers Trial & Is Only Aware Of The Snippets Reported On By The Media & The Snippets She Has From The Killer & The SCCRC

Yeah, so, so that what the start of it

I knew nothing about the law for a start

Hadn’t, I had never had any dealings with the police, the criminal justice system

Nothing, I knew nothing about it

Erm and Corinne

It was a really weird story, so, so

In the natural health centre we had a, a teenager who helped out on a Saturday

Erm you know, she just

She was fascinated by, by what went on there

And she helped out on a Saturday

And it turned out that a relative of hers knew Corinne

So you know, we were, we were having this discussion in

Statements by Sandra Lean published on 28th May 2023 from 6:37 here

That’s Luke’s mum

Alan Carrick from United SK8S Ltd podcast

Yeah

We, we were having this conversation in the natural health centre

Between the therapists and thing

And of course you’ve got the, the, the

One side that, the guys gone

Sandra you’ve lost your mind

Like what are you talking about

Erm, and then this note comes through the door

It was a Saturday morning I’ll never forget it

Came in, opened up and this beautiful handwritten envelope

(Sandra Lean says quietly) What’s that

And opened it and it was a note from Luke’s mum

Saying I’ve heard what your take on this is

So, so, so

The wee Saturday girl had gone and said

And then they’d gone to Corinne and said

Erm can you help us

So of course the, the rest of the guys came in

And this letter got passed round

And they’re all going

Don’t get involved

Do not call that number

I knew the minute I picked it up I was gonna call it

And I’m saying to them

Yeah, you’re right it’s nothing to do with me

And then when everybody left I picked up the phone and called her

Erm, and that was how I got involved in the first place

Erm (Sandra clears her throat), meeting Luke for the first time

It was clear he was shell shocked

Now we’re a good few weeks down the line here

And he came in

Statements by Sandra Lean published on 28th May 2023

Right so you met him a way, was back then

Before he was even charged

Statements by Alan Carrick AKA Just Another Monkey published on 28th May 2023

Yeah, he came in

And, he, th, the head was slightly down

Because obviously was I friend or foe

Erm back then there was a 99% chance I was foe

Erm and then once, once we realised I was not foe

So polite

And, and everybody that knows him will, will say that

You know, he’s so well mannered

He’s so polite

And even in spite of what was going on at that stage

Not laid back but gentle

That’s the word I’m looking for, gentle

Erm, so fast forward

It’s now coming up towards the April

So, so Jodi’s funeral and all the nonsense with the Sky interview

Erm, where I mean that, that was a trick

And it was disgusting

That guy was asking Luke questions that a police would have had to ask under caution

And then they used it against him at trial

I mean it doesnae get dirtier than that

But you know we’ve got that first Christmas out the way

And we’re hearing things from the, the defence

Not the defence, there wasn’t a defence team then

Erm, but lawyers had got involved like

Because Luke couldn’t go back to school

And Stuff like that

And then I got one morning in the April to take the girls to school

Turned the radio on

A 45 year old woman, a 15 year old boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons has been arrested and charged with the murder of Jodi Jones

A 45 year old woman, and I can’t remember what age Shane was

Have also been remanded

And, I mean, you know

I’d been down to Corinne’s house

I’d been down to her business

I’m like what do I do

How do you get in touch with somebody who’s been arrested, you’re like

What do you do

I just had to wait until she called later that night

After she was, after Shane

Luke’s brother were released

And they’d kept Luke so

Statements by Sandra Lean published on 28th May 2023

Sandra Lean Makes No Mention Of The Other People Who Were Taken Into Custody On The 14th April 2004

Tap on the button below to read about a 14 year old girl (Now Woman) who claimed on Facebook; “CID came into my work on the day Luke got arrested took me away

Sandra Lean Was A Self Employed Carer By The Time Of Killer Luke Mitchell’s November 2004 Trial

It has been claimed the reason Sandra Lean did not attend killer Luke Mitchell’s 2004 trial was because her sister and brother-in-law were in fear for Sandra’s daughters safety.

Sandra Lean told Alan Carrick and James Hunter the reason she did not attend the trial was because she could not “afford to close the business for 6 weeks”,

When, when

So, obviously fast forward and

We’re at the trial

Erm

And I couldn’t

Erm

Statements by Sandra Lean published on 28th May 2023 from around 16:58

I, I couldn’t go to the trial because I was running my own business

Erm and I, I couldnae afford to close the business for 6 weeks

Statements by Sandra Lean published on 28th May 2023 from around 19:06

Link to Part 220 here

Monitoring By MAPPA After Seventeen Years & Is Emily Dugan Gaslighting Or Does She Really Not Recognise The Red Flags Re: Violent Rapist & Sex Offender Andrew Malkinson? (Part 14)

In Part 12 of this blog series, which can be read by tapping on the button below

Violent rapist and parasitic predator Andrew Malkinson made a statement to Emily Dugan.

The statement Andrew Malkinson made sounded like he was baiting and attempting to gaslight his victim.

It is shocking, but not surprising, that whoever is meant to be monitoring Andrew Malkinson from MAPPA (Multi Agency Public Protection Arrangements) seemingly did not pick up on what he said.

MAPPA guidelines state in part;

The Criminal Justice Act 2003 (“CJA 2003”) provides for the establishment of Multi-Agency Public Protection Arrangements (“MAPPA”) in each of the 42 criminal justice areas in England and Wales.These are designed to protect the public, including previous victims of crime, from serious harm by sexual and violent offenders. They require the local criminal justice agencies and other bodies dealing with offenders to work together in partnership in dealing with these offenders.

This Guidance on MAPPA has been issued by the Secretary of State for Justice under the CJA2003 in order to help the relevant agencies in dealing with MAPPA offenders. These agencies are required to have regard to the Guidance (so they need to demonstrate and record their reasons if they depart from it).

MAPPA is not a statutory body in itself but is a mechanism through which agencies can better discarge their statutory responsibilities and protect the public in a co-ordinated manner. Agencies at all times retain their full statutory responsibilities and obligations. They need to ensure that these are not compromised by MAPPA. In particular, no agency should feel pressured to agree to a course of action which they consider is in conflict with their statutory obligations and wider responsibility for public protection.

MAPPA Guidance – March 2023

As if he were bragging about his vicious crimes, violent rapist and sexual predator Andrew Malkinson stated;

It’s like a foregone conclusion

You, You’re completely vulnerable and powerless

There’s nothing you can do

Violent rapist Andrew Malkinson published on the 1st of October 2021 via part 2 of a 6 part podcast

He has made numerous choice statements since being released from prison in December 2020 via public platforms, yet the authorities appear to be turning a blind eye.

Who is monitoring Andrew Malkinson and why are so many red flags seemingly being ignored?

Link to Part 15 here

Violent Rapist, Parasitic Predator & Former Amateur Boxer & ‘Holiday Psycho’ Andrew Malkinson & Clive Stafford-Smith On Emily Dugan (Part 13)

Violent rapist Andrew Malkinson in May 2023 on the left, and in May 2003 on the right

Clive Stafford-Smith (who’s wife Emily Bolton represents violent rapist Andrew Malkinson) said in a tweet that Emily Dugan “does an excellent job exploring more evidence of Andy Malkinson’s innocence”;

What Happened To His Security Guard Clothing & Footwear

To date Emily Dugan still hasn’t explained what happened to the clothing and footwear Andrew Malkinson wore as a security guard at the Ellesmere shopping centre.

Why Did He Do A Runner On The Day After He Learned His Victim Was Helping The Police Compile An E-Fit

Emily Dugan has also never explained why Andrew Malkinson did a runner on the day after he learned his victim was helping police compile an E-Fit of her attacker – his face she told him just before she lost consciousness she would “never forget”.

Omitted To Mention The Violent Rapist Was A Former Amateur Boxer Who Learned In His 20’s He Was Adopted

Emily Dugan made no mention in the 6 part podcast she wrote with Will Roe about the fact Andrew Malkinson was a former amateur boxer or that he learned in his early 20’s he had been adopted.

What Was He Doing In The Year & A Half He Was Meant To Have Been Deported From A Thai Prison

In 2001 Andrew Malkinson had travelled to Phuket, Thailand where he committed passport fraud, which saw him being sent to prison allegedly for 6 months.

How Did He Raise The Funds For Gran Canaria

Emily Dugan said in the podcast that Andrew Malkinson had stayed in a “hotel type complex” but according to Bob Woffinden in 2016, he had stayed in an “apartment”.

He also had a return ticket, which Emily makes no mention of. And because she doesn’t mention this, she doesn’t ask him why he didn’t travel back to Amsterdam using the return portion of said ticket.

Did He Travel Alone To Gran Canaria & Some Basics

Emily Dugan does not appear to have bothered to establish some basic facts. Like the the name of the apartment or hotel type complex Andrew Malkinson had booked into for a week “paid upfront” on the 16th May 2003.

Confusion Over The Actual Day Of His Attack & Rape

Emily Dugan appears to have confused herself in the podcast over the day and date Andrew Malkinson committed his attack and rape.

And because of this she failed to ask him what exactly he was doing on the 19th and 20th of July.

Alleged Stolen Credit Cards

Andrew Malkinson told Bob Woffinden he’s allegedly had his “credit cards” stolen when he was allegedly “mugged” in Gran Canaria on the 1st of June 2003.

What were the names of the alleged credit cards?

And did he cancel them and have replacement cards sent to him when he arrived in Manchester? Emily Dugan doesn’t get to the bottom of any of these points.

4th July 2004 ‘Moonlight Flit’

Emily Dugan doesn’t mention the fact Andrew Malkinson left the Hardman’s house without saying goodbye after he’d urinated on their sofa, soiling it in the process.

Confusing The Timing Of Andrew Malkinson’s ‘Moonlit Flit’

Emily also appears to confuse the dates and timings around the rapists ‘moonlight flit’ from the Hardman’s house, to the time he contacted the police – because the former amateur boxer was allegedly being “threatened” by Jonathan and Deborah Hardman.

£200 Compensation Quadruples To £800

Emily also doesn’t seem to recognise the fact Andrew Malkinson’s figure of compensation to Jonathan and Deborah Hardman had quadrupled in 5/6 years, since he first communicated with Bob Woffinden.

Why Did The Rapist Pretend In 2016 His Attack & Rape Were Made Up?

And shockingly but not surprisingly Emily Dugan made no reference to the fact violent rapist Andrew Malkinson was pretending back in 2016, via Bob Woffinden, that his victim had made everything up;

Apart from her own story, there is no evidence whatever of an attack.

There is no scientific evidence on her of an attacker, and nor is there evidence of any sexual assault upon her. 

Violent rapist & fraudster Andrew Malkinson, via Bob Woffinden here dated 24th May 2016

Link to Part 14 here

Bob Woffinden, Emily Dugan & Will Roe’s Version Of Events. Violent Rapist, Fraudster & ‘Holiday Psycho’ Andrew Malkinson’s Version Of Events & The Rebranding Of A Dangerous Sex Offender & How He Continues To Get ‘Caught In The Lie’ & How His Stories Still Don’t Add Up (Part 11)

(Left) Rapist Andrew Malkinson in May 2023 & in May 2003 (Right)
Bob Woffinden
Emily Dugan
Will Roe

2015/16: Rapist Andrew Malkinson In Communication With Writer Bob Woffinden

One of the two former partners of violent rapist Andrew Malkinson (who he hadn’t seen for 15 year) wrote to Bob Woffinden sometime in 2015.

Presumably it was via this initial contact that Bob Woffinden made contact with Andrew Malkinson or vice versa.

The following are statements made by the rapist, quoted in Bob Woffinden’s book (published in 2016) where he was referring to his time away from the UK;

As time went on, I thought less and less about England

I had a “rolling stone” life

The work you are doing is generally seasonal, so you’re always looking to move on

You have your freedom but little else

Sometimes people are envious when you tell them of your travels, as though you’ve had more advantages in life than they have

But you aren’t staying at the Ritz

More likely, you’ve paid a few dollars for a stinking hell-hole down the Khao San Road in Bangkok

The advantage is that there isn’t time for things to go stale

You are always meeting new people and facing fresh challenges

Some might find it an insecure lifestyle, but it suited me

I left Amsterdam on 16 May 2003 with a return ticket to Gran Canaria

Violent rapist, fraudster & parasitic predator Andrew Malkinson via communication with Bob Woffinden in 2015/16

Return Ticket To Gran Canaria & 1 Week Holiday “Paid Upfront”

The following are further excerpts from Bob’s book;

..on 16 May 2003, he flew from Schiphol airport, Amsterdam, for a spot of sunshine in the Canary Islands.

He stayed on his own in an apartment on Gran Canaria and spent most days relaxing by the pool.

An English family, John and Angie Garnham and their son Neil were staying there at the same time.

Several times they asked him to return to the UK with them.

Malkinson responded that he was perfectly happy in Holland.

On 31 May, to his relief, the Garnhams flew back to England.

They had exchanged contact details, but Malkinson thought them a strange family and assumed he’d never see them again.

The next day, he was robbed of all his cash and credit cards.

Ironically, he’d taken the precaution of carrying everything with him, thinking it safer not to leave things in the apartment.

He was destitute.

He tried desperately to find work, but it was early in the season, and none was available.

He had to sleep on the beach.

He could have asked friends in Holland to help him out or he could have asked his mother; but immediately to hand were those contact details for the Garnhams.

He took the fatal step of telephoning them.

They sent him through the air-fare and, on 11 June, picked him up at Leeds-Bradford airport.

He was wearing a T-shirt, shorts and flip-flops.

John Garnham said he could sleep on the sofa at their home in Manchester.

Malkinson had never been to Manchester before.

He envisaged getting a job for a few weeks to pay them back, visiting his mother and a few old friends in Grimsby, and then returning to Holland.

Excerpts by Bob Woffinden from his book The Nicholas Cases chapter 5 Forensically Aware published in 2016

NOTE: John and Angie Garnham are pseudonyms for Jonathan and Deborah Hardman. It is not known what the real name of their son is, who Bob referred to as “Neil”.

The following is rapist Andrew Malkinson’s version of events as told to Emily Dugan, around five years after he communicated with Bob Woffinden;

Emily Dugan;

So, Andy would spend 6 months in jail in Thailand

After his sentence he was deported back to Holland in late 2001

Where he stayed for around a year and a half

At which point in May 2003 Andy decided to head to the Canary Islands

Emily Dugan published on 24th September 2021 in part 1 of a 6 part podcast

Andrew Malkinson;

I thought cheap sun

It’s guaranteed warm down there

And

See if I could get a bit of work you know

Andrew Malkinson published on 24th September 2021 in part 1 of a 6 part podcast

Emily Dugan;

He headed to a hotel type complex

In a place called Los Cristianos on the island of Gran Canaria

Emily Dugan published on 24th September 2021 in part 1 of a 6 part podcast

Andrew Malkinson;

So I got off the bus

And

I booked in

Paid a week in advance

And I sat by the bar

Andrew Malkinson published on 24th September 2021 in part 1 of a 6 part podcast

Emily Dugan;

A short time after the Hardman’s left the Canaries Andy says he was mugged

He’d been out drinking and says at some point he was targeted

With no money he felt stranded

Emily Dugan published on 24th September 2021 in part 1 of a 6 part podcast

Andrew Malkinson;

These people were still fresh in my mind

I called them

Yeah they sent me 50 or 60 euros or something

I got a ticket

And I went to the UK

They said oh you’ll pay us back won’t you

And I said ‘course I will, I’m not going to do anything like that

And that’s how I ended up in the UK

Andrew Malkinson published on 24th September 2021 in part 1 of a 6 part podcast

QUESTIONS

If Andrew Malkinson was in prison in Thailand for just the 6 months as referred to, what was he doing for the year and a half time period, after he was deported and before he flew to Gran Canaria on the 16th May 2003?

How did he raise the funds to fly to Gran Canaria?

If he was really going to see if he “could get a bit of work” as he claimed to Emily Dugan, why did he have a return ticket?

If Andrew Malkinson had bought a return ticket, why didn’t he use the return portion of said ticket to fly back to Amsterdam after he was allegedly “mugged” after allegedly being “targeted” on the 1st of June 2003 in Gran Canaria?

Why did Andrew tell Bob Woffinden he “stayed on his own in an apartment” but told Emily he stayed in a “hotel type complex”?

Where exactly did Andrew Malkinson stay?

And what was the name of “apartment” stroke “hotel type complex”?

Adidas Bob Woffinden, Emily Dugan or Will Roe ever bother to find out?

Did Andrew Malkinson really stay on his own as he claimed he did to Bob Woffinden?

Or

Did he fly to Gran Canaria with someone else for a weeks holiday, which didn’t work out for whatever reason so he ended up sleeping on a beach somewhere after his weeks “paid in advance” accommodation came to an end.

Did Andrew Malkinson target the Hardman’s and began sponging off of them until they flew back to the UK?

Then shortly after the Hardman’s left he pretended to them he had been “mugged”, had the Hardman’s pay his airfare for him to fly to UK and continued sponging off of them until things turned sour and he did a ‘moonlight flit’ after urinating on, and soiling their sofa – which he knew would be the last straw for the Hardman’s.

Also what “credit cards” did Andrew Malkinsin have in 2003?

Whqy efforts, if any, did he go to to cancel these alleged cards and have new ones sent to him – presuming he ever had any in the first place.

4th July 2003: The Urinating On The Sofa Story & ‘Moonlight Flit’

The following is Andrew Malkinson’s version of events around the urinating on the sofa story, as told by him to Emily Dugan in 2021;

Emily Dugan;

So, as Andy tells it

In July 2003, Andy who’s now 37, was working as a security guard at a shopping centre in Greater Manchester.

At this point Andy says he’d paid off his debt to the Hardman’s.

But one night when he was drunk Andy fell asleep and urinated on their sofa.

Unsurprisingly things turned sour and Andy left the Hardman’s and moved in with a colleague

The Hardman’s wanted him to cover the cost

Emily Dugan published on 24th September 2021 in part 1 of a 6 part podcast

Andrew Malkinson;

It was a beat up old couch like something secondhand you’d find or even on, on someone’s front lawn

And I think they wanted something stupid they wanted 800 quid or something stupid like that

I said I’ll give you 50 quid

That’s it, that’s

They started being threatening and aggressive

Andrew Malkinson published on 24th September 2021 in part 1 of a 6 part podcast

Emily Dugan;

So Andy went to the police

Emily Dugan published on 1st October 2021 via a 6 part podcast

Andrew Malkinson;

I made a report

Can you tell us what’s been happening

I said yeah they’re threatening me for, for money and trying to intimidate me

Andrew Malkinson published on 24th September 2021 in part 1 of a 6 part podcast

Yet when he’d communicated with Bob Woffinden several years earlier, he had told Bob he had done a moonlight flit after urinating on the Hardman’s sofa, as can be seen by the following excerpt from Bob’s book;

On the 4 July, Malkinson picked up his few possessions and left.

He hadn’t told his hosts, fearing they might turn nasty.

He went to stay with a colleague, Simon Oakes.

As far as he was concerned, he’d got out just in time; the Garnhams were throwing a party that weekend, and he didn’t like the sound of it.

Excerpts by Bob Woffinden from his book The Nicholas Cases chapter 5 Forensically Aware published in 2016

In 2016 Andrew Malkinson had told Bob Woffinden the amount of money the Hardman’s had wanted as compensation for their soiled sofa, was a quarter of the amount he went on to say it was to Emily Dugan in 2021, as is evidenced by the following excerpt from Bob’s book;

Also, after an evening’s drinking, he had urinated in his sleep.

The Garnhams had demanded £200 for damage to the settee; Malkinson offered £50.

Excerpts by Bob Woffinden from his book The Nicholas Cases chapter 5 Forensically Aware published in 2016

Although Andrew Malkinson told both Bob Woffinden and Emily Dugan he had “paid off his debt to the Hardman’s”, he actually said during the 2021 podcast that he hadn’t!

Where Is The Evidence Andrew Malkinson Worked On Saturday The 19th & Sunday The 20th Of July 2003?

In the following statements made by Andrew Malkinson in a letter to Emily Dugan in 2020, he appears to be referring to Friday the 18th July 2003, NOT the 19th and 20th of July he mentioned in his first sentence;

On the 19th and 20th of July 2003 I was working at the Ellesmere shopping centre as a security guard

Nothing untoward happened

I walked the half a mile or so to work and back

Spent most of the day patrolling and looking for shoplifters

By the time the shift ended I just wanted to sit down in front of the tele with a couple of cans and sleep

Which is what I did

Statements by Andrew Malkinson in a 2020 letter to Emily Dugan – read during part 1 of a 24th September 2021 6 part podcast

Emily Dugan also appears to be referring to the 18th of July, as opposed the 19th of July – which was the date of Andrew Malkinson’s violent attack and rape;

Emily Dugan;

The country was experiencing a heatwave

On the day of the attack Andy had been working

Emily Dugan published on 24th September 2021 in part 1 of a 6 part podcast

Andrew Malkinson;

It was really incredibly warm, unusual for, for England

Nice you know

I was loving it

I, I like that

Andrew Malkinson published on 24th September 2021 in part 1 of a 6 part podcast

Emily Dugan;

So that evening then you, you you’re pretty sure you’d finished work and then what

Emily Dugan published on 24th September 2021 in part 1 of a 6 part podcast

Andrew Malkinson;

By the time I’d finished walking back from the Ellesmere centre

After wearing stab proof vest and all the stu-stuff I was wearing I was exhausted

I had no wish to go out

I got two cans on the way home

I’m tired

I’m hot

I want a shower

I just want to s-sit down and drink a couple of cans and watch TV

That’s all it was

It was just anoth, another day

Andrew Malkinson published on 1st October 2021 via a 6 part podcast

Emily Dugan’s next question to rapist Andrew Malkinson is totally barmy, especially given the fact he carried out his violent attack and rape on Saturday the 19th July 2003 at around 4:30 in the morning, NOT on the Friday Emily was seemingly referring to;

So you never left the house that night

Emily Dugan published on 24th September 2021 in part 1 of a 6 part podcast

No definitely not

Andrew Malkinson published on 24th September 2021 in part 1 of a 6 part podcast

Monday The 21st July 2003

Three days after arriving in Manchester, on the 14th June 2003 Andrew Malkinson was riding as a pillion passenger on the Hardman’s sons off road motorbike when the pair of them were stopped and questioned by police constables (PC’s) Gary Waite and Christopher Baybutt.

The rider received a warning and the officers took Andrew Malkinson’s details.

PC’s Waite and Baybutt appear to be the two officers Bob Woffinden was referring to in his excerpts below about the 21st of July – two days after his his attack and rape;

On 14 June, he was out with Neil on his motorcycle, having been to the local shops, when they were stopped by community beat officers.

“There were four of them in an unmarked car”, remembered Malkinson.

“One of them was gesticulating for us to stop. It was as though they had been waiting there. Of course, they knew Neil – they were on first-name terms”.

The police asked Malkinson for personal details – name and date-of-birth – which he provided and they checked.

He started work as a security guard at the Ellesmere Centre, the local shopping

The evidence was that at 2.00pm on the day of the attack two community beat officers, after hearing the description of the attacker, had ‘immediately’ and ‘simultaneously’ named Malkinson as the suspect.

The apparent clarity of their joint recollections was astonishing.

Why would anyone, having heard of the attacker’s ‘smart’ clothes, instantly think of the generally dishevelled Malkinson?

Secondly, two days later, on Monday 21 July, the officers saw Malkinson at work.

Police routinely liaised with security staff at the local shopping centre over matters of mutual concern – shoplifters, for example, or CCTV footage of suspects.

That day, they talked amicably, and there was no suggestion that Malkinson was a suspect in a serious rape case.

Thirdly, it took two weeks after their supposed identification of him for them to arrest him, even though he could not have been difficult to trace.

Fourthly, neither of the two officers is mentioned in the contemporaneous crime records as having even part of the investigative team at the time they supposedly named Malkinson as the suspect.

Excerpts by Bob Woffinden from his book The Nicholas Cases chapter 5 Forensically Aware published in 2016

24th July 2004: The Day Before Andrew Malkinson Did A Runner & The Day The Media Reported His VICTIM Was Helping The Police Compile An E-Fit & Yet More Evidence Of The Guilty Rapists Grift

In the following statement Emily Dugan is referring to Friday the 25th of July 2003, the day violent rapist Andrew Malkinson went on the run from the area;

Emily Dugan;

Six days before this

A horrific and brutal rape had happened near by

In the early hours of the 19th of July a mother of two was attacked and beaten on her way home and left for dead

It was a huge shock to the local community

Emily Dugan published on 24th September 2021 in part 1 of a 6 part podcast

Andrew Malkinson;

I could hear people talking about it

I thought oh

No I’m not massively surprised this is a really rough area

I could tell, I could tell it was a rough area

Erm but, but it was right on the periphery of my awareness you know

Andrew Malkinson published on 24th September 2021 in part 1 of a 6 part podcast

So in 2020/21 Andrew Malkinson claimed of his attack and rape, which he committed on the 19th July, “I could hear people talking about it”, yet he claimed when he was arrested “that was the first he had heard of the attack”;

After spending two weeks at colleague Simon Oakes’s flat in Atherton, he returned to see his family in Grimsby and was arrested on August 2.

Malkinson insisted that was the first he had heard of the attack, and denied he had been the man spotted by witnesses near to the scene of the attack at 4.30am in the morning.

Excerpts from a Bolton news article headed I’m not the rapist, trial told dated 7th February 2004

Andrew Malkinson;

On the 2nd of August the police knocked on my door

I answered and they told me they were arresting me for attempted murder and rape

I was completely shocked

And obviously I had no idea what they were talking about

Statements by Andrew Malkinson in a 2020 letter to Emily Dugan – read during part 1 of a 24th September 2021 6 part podcast

The following are further excerpts from Bob Woffinden’s book;

Five days later, on Thursday 24 July, John and Angie Garnham turned up at the Ellesmere Centre demanding money from Malkinson.

By then, he had given them back the air-fare, paid them rent and also paid for shopping trips to Tesco, but they wanted more.

They blamed him for smoke damage in the kitchen caused when a toaster failed to switch itself off.

Also, after an evening’s drinking, he had urinated in his sleep.

The Garnhams had demanded £200 for damage to the settee; Malkinson offered £50.

In view of their demeanour, Malkinson contacted the police.

The next day, Friday, an officer called at the house to take a statement, but told him it was unlikely that the matter would be taken further.

That was the day that Malkinson received his wages and left the job.

The next morning, Saturday 26 July, he caught a train to Grimsby, relieved to be putting all the unpleasantness he associated with Manchester behind him.

Excerpts by Bob Woffinden from his book The Nicholas Cases chapter 5 Forensically Aware published in 2016

During part 1 of the 6 part podcast, Emily Dugan gives the impression when she stated; “So Andy went to the police” that he did this around the 4th of July.

But in reality – it was 20 days later, the day before he did a runner from the area.

And Bob Woffinden omitted to mention in his book the fact the violent rapist had been dropped off at Manchester airport by his colleague Simon Oakes on Friday the 25th of July 2003.

Link to Part 12 here

Violent Rapist Andrew Malkinson, How Undated Circumstantial DNA Won’t Prove His ‘Innocence’ & Why Deluded Emily Dugan Won’t Address What Happened To The Clothes & Footwear He Wore When He Worked As A Security Guard At The Ellesmere Shopping Centre (Part 9)

On the 27th January 2023 Emily Dugan wrote an article for the Guardian on violent rapist, parasitic predator and convicted fraudster (Thailand 2001) Andrew Malkinson.

Excerpts from Emily’s article on the violent rapist read as follows:

He was serving a life sentence for the rape of a 33-year-old woman left for dead on a Salford motorway embankment in 2003.

There was never any DNA linking him to the crime, but his insistence of his innocence only trapped him in prison for longer.

Arriving on Wednesday at the east London office of the law practice Appeal, which has been fighting his case, Malkinson was greeted with hugs of celebration.

He could hardly believe what was happening.

“I dreamed that they would find DNA evidence,”

he said.

“I hoped something would turn up that would prove I was telling the truth.

But this is almost beyond my expectations.”

I first met Malkinson in a grey, windswept car park outside HMP North Sea Camp in Lincolnshire.

It was December 2020 and his first taste of freedom.

He hugged his mum, Tricia, tight, whispering:

“It’s all over now.”

By Emily Dugan for the Guardian here dated 27th January 2023

Emily Dugan is deluded.

Andrew Malkinson did not whisper to his mother “It’s all over now”.

He can be heard quite clearly saying “It’s all over now” during the podcast Emily Dugan narrated and helped write back in 2021.

Emily Dugan then went on in her article to refer to Andrew Malkinson and his continued “torment” and included statements he had made earlier in January 2023;

“I feel like there’s a huge hole in my life

he said this week.

I got quite depressed over Christmastime

It slowly crept up on me, I fell into a darker and darker spiral, and it was horrible.

It was just a feeling of mourning for the loss of what’s gone

It’s like you’ve lost somebody but it’s a part of yourself

Andrew Malkinson – January 2023

Adoption & “It’s like you’ve lost somebody but it’s a part of yourself

Who and what exactly was Andrew Malkinson referring to?

In January 1987 Andrew Strugnell, as he was known then, and his then partner had a son.

Not long after his son had been born, Andrew Strugnell, who was 21 years old at the time, learned he had been adopted.

Up until this point Andrew Strugnell had always believed his father Phil Strugnell, who kicked him out of the family home when he was 17 years old, was his biological father.

Excerpts from a book written by Bob Woffinden and published in 2016 read as follows;

In 1983 he had to leave home.

Phil threw him out after an argument about the amount of rent that he was paying.

Bob Woffinden from his book The Nicholas Cases published in 2016

Bob Woffinden also referred to Andrew Malkinson’s adoption as follows;

He was working at a duck-processing factory, Cherry Valley Farms, when he met Jacqui Tyler.

She liked Bob Dylan and Genesis and was seven years older than him, and they struck up a relationship.

She had a mortgage on a small terraced house in central Grimsby where he moved in with her.

In 1986, they went to Amsterdam together and, shortly afterwards, Jacqui announced that she was pregnant.

The following year she gave birth to Andrew junior: little Andy.

The Amsterdam trip had given Andrew and Jacqui the travel bug.

They talked of starting a new life together in Australia.

Their plan was to go there for several months to find out if they liked it and finance their stay by taking short-term jobs.

In order to do that, they needed work permits.

Andrew applied and was asked to produce his birth certificate.

He didn’t have one so he went to the local register office.

That was how he discovered he wasn’t on the official register of births.

The assistant did some searching and soon realised the reason for the omission: he was on a subsidiary list – because he was adopted.

This came as a complete shock to him.

Naturally, he asked for his real parents’ names, but the assistant said she could not divulge them.

So he confronted his mother.

“I was pretty confused about all the secrecy”

he said,

“and a little angry”

The ’60s was the decade of the sexual revolution, but in 1966 it had yet to reach Grimsby.

So, at the time, this was a small family scandal.

Trisha was pregnant but unmarried

Happily, his mother found a new partner in Phil; but in order to satisfy the bureaucratic niceties of the time, he could only adopt Andrew if his partner did too.

So, bizarrely, Trisha became Andrew’s adoptive mother as well as his natural mother.

Bob Woffinden from his book The Nicholas Cases published in 2016

“I feel like there’s a huge hole in my life

In 1990, aged 24, Andrew Strugnell changed his and his sons surname by deed poll to Malkinson.

Not long after this Andrew Malkinson abandoned his son, similar to how his own biological father Paul Malkinson had done to him twenty four years earlier.

Andrew Malkinson told Emily Dugan in 2021 the reason he abandoned his son was because he was “drinking a lot more than” he “should have” and that he “couldn’t really handle it anymore” because apparently he “didn’t have the strength”.

Was violent rapist Andrew Malkinson referring to his son or his adoptive and biological fathers when he made the statement “I feel like there’s a huge hole in my life“?

An excerpt from an article headed “When Adults Discover They Were Adopted: The Ultimate Betrayal/Life Hi-Jacked” reads;

Initial feelings are often shock, disorientation and anger.

Often righteous indignation and feelings of betrayal are wide spread when one learns that all their “relatives” knew but them.

All had conspired in keeping the secret.

It‘s life shattering and most of all shatters the ability to trust.

Why did everyone know and keep it from me? 

Tap on the button below to read the full article:

Link to Part 10 here

Did Violent Rapist Andrew Malkinson Make A Subliminal Confession To His Crimes During A TV Interview? (Part 8)

Violent rapist Andrew Malkinson 26th April 2021

During a TV interview with BBC North West on the 26th of April 2021 Andrew Malkinson stated the following;

Erm I.. I.. I.. I.. did a thought experiment

So what

So what if I did

You know

Go along with this

And I.. I.. realised very quickly I couldn’t do that

I couldn’t pretend I’d done something like that.. that’s

I.. I don’t care how long I.. they threatened with keeping me inside

That’s just couldn’t, even if I tried it would physically stick in my throat

I couldn’t, I couldn’t, I couldn’t lie like that

Yeah

You’re going along with deceit

(Andrew Malkinson was asked by the interviewer what his feelings were towards “that woman’)

Erm I think we both want the same thing

We want the guilty party to be captured and put inside

Erm I’m obviously eh

I’m very sympathetic to anyone..suffers.. so dreadful.. to be raped violently like that..

To be raped at all

Erm

Yeah

I’m very sorry for what

What she’s been through

But it’s got nothing to do with me

And the evidence is now showing that and we need to find out who is responsible

Statements by violent rapist, convicted fraudster & parasitic predator Andrew Malkinson during a 26th April 2021 TV interview with BBC North West here

I couldn’t pretend I’d done something like that

Yet in 2016 Andrew Malkinson had no problem pretending of his victim (via a third party) that “apart from her own story, there is no evidence whatever of an attack”.

Tap on the button below to read Part 3 of this blog series, where Andrew Malkinson makes the above false and malicious claim and more..

Link to Part 9 here

The Violent Rapist, Parasitic Predator & Deceptive, Gaslighting Fraudster Andrew Malkinson & How He Went On The Run After Learning His Victim Was Helping Police Compile An E-Fit (Part 6)

Photo of violent rapist & parasitic predator Andrew Malkinson in Gran Canaria in May 2003

During the trial the judge made clear to the jury both John and Deborah Hardman had previous criminal convictions

Statement by Emily Dugan made on 1st October 2021 via a podcast called Seventeen years

Violent rapist and parasitic predator Andrew Malkinson claimed on 1st October 2021 that Deborah and Jonathan Hardman, who were prosecution witnesses during his trial, were “being arsehole’s” and “bugging” him at work and allegedly “making threats of physical violence” towards him.

Andrew Malkinson had apparently told the Hardman’s in June 2003 he would pay them back the £75 flight money they paid for him to fly to the UK from Gran Canaria.

It appears the Hardman family were targeted by Andrew Malkinson after he phoned them to tell them in the UK to tell them he had allegedly been “mugged” and had no money.

He also went on to tell them he would repay them for the sofa he soiled, after urinating on it one night whilst drunk.

24th July 2003: Police Hope For E-Fit Of Rapist

On the 24th July 2003, five days after Andrew Malkinson’s vicious attack and rape, Bolton News reported under the header Police hope for e-fit of rapist some of the following;

Detectives were today interviewing a woman recovering from a brutal rape in a bid to draw up an e-fit image of her attacker.

The 33-year-old mother-of-two, from Kearsley, was grabbed from behind as she walked home from a night out with friends along the M61 motorway bridge in Cleggs Lane, Little Hulton in the early hours of Saturday.

She was strangled until she became unconscious and then raped.

She has received counselling from trained officers and was today hoping to describe her attacker to detectives for them to compile an artist’s impression

Excerpt from an article by Bolton news headed Police hope for e-fit of rapist dated 24th July 2003

Once the E-Fit was completed it was circulated to local police officers.

On the same day Andrew Malkinson’s victim was helping police compile an E-fit of him, Andrew Malkinson “had had a photograph taken at work for a security pass on 24 July”.

It was reported that police constables (Pc) Gary Waite and Christopher Baybutt had realised the E-Fit looked remarkably similar to a man they had stopped riding pillion on an off road motorbike the month before.

The person driving the off road motorbike was the son of Deborah and Jonathan Hardman and the pillion passenger was Andrew Malkinson.

Excerpts from an August 2004 Manchester evening news article read;

By chance, four weeks before Malkinson committed the vicious rape, he was riding pillion on an off-road motorbike which was stopped by Little Hulton community beat officers, Pc Gary Waite and Pc Christopher Baybutt.

They warned the rider not to use the machine on the road and took his details and Malkinson’s.

At the time Malkinson was working as a security guard at the Ellesmere Shopping Centre, in Walkden.

Excerpts from a Manchester evening news article headed Strange drifter who covered his tracks dated 13th August 2004

Pc’s Gary Waite and Christopher Baybutt were reported to have “alerted senior officers” and the hunt for Andrew Malkinson began.

25th July ‘03: Andrew Malkinson Quits His Job & Flees Area Through Fear Of Being Recognised

When police arrived at fellow security guard Simon Oakes flat in Aspinall court, Atherton, where Andrew Malkinson had been sofa surfing after the Hardman’s had kicked him out, he was already on the run.

Andrew Malkinson told Emily Dugan in 2021 via a podcast called Seventeen years that on the 25th of July 2003 he “quit his job” as a security guard at Ellesmere shopping centre in Walkden and also apparently “called the police to complain” about Jonathan and Deborah Hardman.

Andrew Malkinson then had Simon Oakes drop him off at Manchester airport, telling Simon he planned to fly to Holland.

Instead of catching a flight however, Andrew Malkinson slept rough at the airport and eventually caught a train to Grimsby where Emily Dugan said he spent “a couple of nights” at a Salvation Army hostel.

The Manchester evening news reported on the 13th August 2004 under the header Strange drifter who covered his tracks that Andrew Malkinson had initially told the police he had changed his mind as “no standby flights were available” but by 2021 this narrative had also changed.

Below is a transcribe taken from Part 2 of the 2021 podcast where reporters Emily Dugan and Neal Keeling, along with rapist and fraudster Andrew Malkinson refer to the day of 25th July 2003, which was the day after it was announced his victim was helping police compile an E-Fit.

Emily Dugan stated:

On the 25th of July he decided to leave the area

This was 6 days after the rape took place

He was driven to Manchester airport by his flat mate

But upon arrival he says there was no direct flights to Amsterdam

Statements by Emily Dugan – 1st October 2021

Again Andrew Malkinson had initially told police that “no standby flights were available”, 18 years later he is now claiming “there was no direct flights to Amsterdam ”.

However Neal Keeling stated;

Malkinson’s explanation was that he’d just changed his mind

Instead of going back to Holland he went to Grimsby, his home town

Statements by Neal Keeling – 1st October 2021

Again, Andrew Malkinson had initially told police “no standby flights were available”.

But by the time he spoke to Emily Dugan in 2021 Andrew Malkinson now stated;

I thought it was an international airport

I thought it was open 24/7

And I got there, I.. I think it was after 8

Everything was shut, shut it down..

Statements by Andrew Malkinson – 1st October 2021

Manchester airport was NOT shut on the 25th of July 2003 and Andrew Malkinson had initially told police “no standby flights were available”.

Emily Dugan then stated;

I presume you didn’t have a smartphone in terms of trying to book a flight or knowing the airport was open

You know what access did you have for that information

Statements by Emily Dugan – 1st October 2021

Again Manchester airport WAS open on the 25th July 2003 and Andrew Malkinson had initially told police “no standby flights were available”.

Andrew Malkinson’s reply to Emily Dugan was;

No no

I.. I didn’t have any access at all

I was pondering what to do I thought I.. I.. can get a flight anytime I’ll go and see my mum

So I went to Grimsby to see my mum ‘cos I hadn’t seen her for a long time

I changed my plans you know

Like I always do

I’m a traveller

Statements by Andrew Malkinson – 1st October 2021

It is not known if Andrew Malkinson ever visited his mother Trisha/Trish.

Nor is it known if Andrew Malkinson’s mother gave evidence during his trial to support her sons claim that he had gone to visit her.

However the earliest he could have arrived in Grimsby would have been Saturday the 26th of July, that’s if he only slept rough the one night in Manchester airport.

Emily Dugan then stated;

After sleeping at the airport, Andy got the train to Grimsby and stayed at the Salvation Army for a couple of nights

He’d quit his job as a security guard in Manchester and soon began collecting unemployment benefits

Statements by Emily Dugan – 1st October 2021

If he only stayed at the Salvation Army hostel a “couple of nights” as Emily Dugan claimed, then this could suggest Andrew Malkinson slept there on Thursday the 31st July and Friday the 1st August, because Andrew Malkinson was arrested on the morning of Saturday the 2nd August 2003.

The earliest he could have gone to the job centre was Monday the 28th of July as they were only open Monday-Friday and it is unlikely Andrew Malkinson would have “began collecting employment benefits” in just five days.

Andrew Malkinson stated;

I signed on and told them my name and where I’m staying

If you’re someone running away you don’t disclose where you are do you

Statements by Andrew Malkinson – 1st October 2021

Neither Emily Dugan or Neal Keeling mention the fact that the day before Andrew Malkinson went on the run, it had been reported that his victim was helping the police compile an E-Fit sketch of her attacker.

Aftet Andrew Malkinson had “signed on” at Grimsby job centre, the job centre made a check with Ellesmere shopping centre in Walkden “whose managers tipped off police that Malkinson was in Grimsby”.

Link to Part 7 here

Killer Luke Mitchell: Sandra Lean & WAP – A Forum That Did The Very Thing It Was Titled As, Wrongly Accusing Multiple People (Part 161)

*Guest Blog*

This knowing a case inside out and upside down, no you don’t.

Where you should of course know the every movement by the Mitchell’s, you don’t and it is this that tells people a lot.

Seriously?

Someone puts something up and you are on it with the biggest hypocrisy ever –

There has been nothing but lies put out around Luke Mitchell v Her Majesty’s Advocate

This psychological approach of placing focus elsewhere, pushing out a false narrative, to have the unsuspecting public, fools for the most part swallow it up without batting an eye.

And when I say fools I mean those from the comments such as Ron M.

Tap on links below to read more on Ron M;

The nonsense around, this is going to be the year, the truth is finally out there –

Done to bloody death, same shit different day, different set of unsuspecting fools.

Same BS of the time is up, the real killer/s must be frantic with worry now –

Was doing the rounds in the day of WAP, a forum that did the very thing it was titled as, wrongly accusing multiple people of all sorts. It is not new, it only has more fools pushing it out.

What the public actually want, those with sense, is evidence!

They want to be shown without any doubt, they want to be shown without any doubt, that the evidence that convicted Luke Mitchell was wrong.

It cannot be done which is why this focus is placed elsewhere, to prevent discussion around the actual evidence that brought about Luke Mitchell’s conviction.

So, for all of you here who say you know this case inside out and upside down –

Let’s discuss evidence and see what it is you actually feel you do know?

Instead of deflecting on to every Tom, Dick and bloody Harry.

Sandra Lean is lurking so out you come Ms Lean and let us talk evidence openly for all to see.

Scott Forbes, sadly the invite is not to you, you know less about the evidence in this case than your average Joe Bloggs.

A vessel purely to push out exactly what Luke Mitchell commands.

And spare us the, nothing to do with him – it has everything to do with him, it is exactly what he stated he was going to do just after that TV show.

Where you and Sandra Lean, just like Corinne Mitchell and Sandra Lean, are contradicting each other on repeat!

Or if the wonderful Sandra Lean does not openly want to openly discuss where there is nothing controlled, then any of the minions here will do to kick it off.

Let us actually hear what you actually know about this case, of the actual case of Luke Mitchell v HMA.

Or alternatively, one can join a forum to do so, there is the Bamber forum or the MOJ one with John Lamberton.

Or Sandra Lean can come back to the blue forum to continue our discussions –

Nothing to be afraid of now, is there?

Not interested in a controlled to the max Facebook group, a jumped up version I hear of what the WAP used to be…

I’ve been asking them for years, No-one can give me an answer. Strange considering they know all the “facts”. No-one can tell me Luke’s timeline for that evening.

(Original post/s here)

Link to Part 162 here