Self Confessed Train Robber Bert Kreischer & Innocence Fraudster & Psychopath Amanda Knox On Rudy Guede & Their Meeting On The Bottom Floor Downstairs In The Four Guys Apartment, The Weekend Of 20th/21st October 2007, Shamrocks Bar, Red Zone Nightclub, DJ Quentin Harris & The 5 Cannabis Plants

Shamrocks & Red Zone Nightclub – Amanda Knox Met Rudy Guede Before She Met Raffaele Sollecito

According to the evidence, Amanda Knox met Rudy Guede before she met Raffaele Sollecito.

On Saturday the 20th October 2007 Meredith Kercher was in a bar called Shamrocks with her British friends watching the rugby World Cup final between England and South Africa

After the match Meredith Kercher and one of her British friends, along with Amanda Knox all went to the Red Zone night club just outside of Perugia along with Marco Marzan and Giacomo Silenzi (who lived downstairs).

A DJ from New York called Quentin Harris was spinning that evening, as can be seen and heard in the following videos taken on that night;

Rudy Guede had been in Shamrocks and had apparently seen Meredith Kercher and according to his prison diary, while the others were at the club, he had stopped by their house to visit but found nobody at home.

The following night, Sunday the 21st October 2007, Rudy Guede had visited by the four guy’s place downstairs for the Formula 1 Grand Prix, and he found out from Giacomo Silenzi that everyone had been at the Red Zone night club.

Rudy Guede claimed in his prison diary here;

So then I went to “Le Chic” to ask about Amanda, maybe she knew where they went, but she wasn’t there.

So then I figured that she was with the guys, going out with the hanging around in the center of town.

It was Saturday others. Meanwhile I went with my usual friends, that evening.

The next day, Sunday, I went to the guys’ house and found them.

I told them that I ‘d tried, but couldn’t find them the day before, that I‘d gotten to their house late, etc., etc., then that I hadn’t seen them in the town center, and that I’d gone to “Le Chic” to ask about them and Amanda, but not even she was there.

And they told me that they’d gone after dinner to “The Red Zone”

Rudy Guede

Meredith Kercher’s Boyfriend Giacomo Silenzi’s Testimony

The relationship between Meredith Kercher and Giacomo Silenzi began following their night out at the Red Zone club.

An excerpt from Giacomo Silenzi’s testimony reads;

Rudy had asked information about Amanda because he was interested

Excerpt from Giacomo Silenzi‘s testimony – Source here

When Giacomo was asked “All there, where in the house?” he stated;

We were all in front of a pub in the center

Excerpt from Giacomo Silenzi‘s testimony – Source here

Amanda Knox met Raffaele (Raf) Sollecito on the 25th October 2007

Excerpts from a February 2009 article headed Flatmate saw scratch on Knox’s neck soon after Kercher killing read;

Silenzi, a Perugia University student, lived with three other Italian men in the basement flat below the house Knox and Kercher shared.

Silenzi said he and his flatmates were growing five cannabis plants in their flat and had started smoking joints with their four female upstairs neighbours.

When he went home for the Italian public holiday on 1 November, Silenzi asked Kercher to water the plants for him.

Silenzi and his flatmates also entertained Guede at the downstairs flat twice in October after meeting him while playing basketball on a public court near the house.

Excerpts from a Guardian article by Tom Kingston headed Flatmate saw scratch on Knox’s neck soon after Kercher killing dated 15th February 2009

Beautiful & Innocent Meredith Kercher

Excerpts from an April 2012 article read;

Murder victim Meredith Kercher’s Italian boyfriend told yesterday of the moment he first feared Amanda Knox was her killer.

Giacomo Silenzi, 22, had been dating Meredith, 21, for just ten days when she was found semi-naked with her throat cut in the bedroom of student digs she shared with American Knox, 20.

Speaking publicly for the first time, Giacomo, who described Meredith, from London, as “beautiful and innocent”, said that he first feared Knox was the killer as they waited to be questioned by police.

He told The Mail on Sunday how he and Knox were taken to Perugia police station to be interviewed on Friday, November 2, the day Meredith’s body was found.

It was here he also met her co-accused, Raffaele Sollecito, 23.

Giacomo said:

“I was on the train heading back to Perugia from my parents’ house when I got a call from Meredith’s other flatmate Filomena, who told me what had happened.

“My stomach dropped – I just could not believe it. I had spoken with her for the last time just a couple of days earlier and she had sent me a text saying she was looking forward to me coming back.

“When I got to Perugia station, the police picked me up and took me to the police station.

“I had a cast-iron alibi because I had been at my parents’ house since the Monday – it was a bank holiday in Italy. I was taken to a waiting room and Amanda was there.

“She hugged me and said how sorry she was. Then she introduced me to her boyfriend Raffaele. I had never met him before.

“I couldn’t help thinking how cool and calm Amanda was. Meredith’s other English friends were devastated and I was upset, but Amanda was as cool as anything and completely emotionless.

“Her eyes didn’t seem to show any sadness and I remember wondering if she could have been involved.

“I spoke with her English friends Robyn [Butterworth] and Sophie [Purton] afterwards, and they said the same thing. None of us could quite understand how she was taking it all so calmly.

“I knew that Amanda didn’t get on with Meredith, but I didn’t think that would lead to Amanda killing her.

Holding back tears, Giacomo said:

“Meredith was a beautiful and innocent girl. We had only just started our relationship and maybe it was too early to talk about love, but we really had an affection for each other.

“She moved into the flat above mine at the end of the summer and we would pop into each other’s places just to say hello or have a cup of coffee, the things that neighbours do.

“She was very pretty and I was also impressed with her Italian. We would share CDs and play music together.

“It was my birthday at the end of September but she couldn’t make my party because she was flying back to England for the weekend.

“She gave me a bottle of rum as a present. Most of it was drunk at the party but there is a drop left that I will now keep for ever”

Giacomo added:

“It was a few weeks after that, around the middle of October-that we kissed for the first time at a student party. Then we made love a couple of days later in my flat.

“I’m still having trouble taking this all in. If I could see Amanda, I would just ask her, ‘Why? Why did she kill Meredith?’

Excerpts from an Evening Standard article headed Meredith’s boyfriend reveals the moment he suspected Foxy Knoxy had killed his lover dated 12th April 2012

Self Confessed Train Robber Bert Kreischer & Innocence Fraudster Amanda Knox

On the 10th December 2021 Bert Kreischer spoke to psychopath Amanda Knox about Rudy Guede.

According to Amanda Knox’s book Waiting to be heard, she met someone called Bobby aka Daniel de Luna over the weekend of 20th/21st October 2007.

Daniel de Luna was a friend of the men who lived downstairs.

Amanda Knox stated;

This was the first time I’d invited a guy into my bed since I arrived in Perugia.

We went to my room and had sex, then we both passed out

Amanda Knox

Two nights after Amanda and Raf got involved, she hooked up once more with Daniel de Luna, the friend of the neighbours downstairs, and later included him on the list of sex partners in her prison diary

Excerpt from Barbie Latza Nadeau’s book Angel Face (published in 2010)

Below is a transcribe taken from Bertcast #495 Amanda Knox & ME, beginning from approximately 15:26, where Amanda Knox was seemingly referring to Sunday the 21st October 2007;

This was the guy Rudy

Bert Kriescher (from around 15:26 of Bertcast #495 Amanda Knox & ME)

Yeah Rudy Guede

Amanda Knox

So Rudy

This is another thing I , I don’t think I ever really wrapped my head round

Ru, you guys met Rudy

Let me, let me start from the beginning

So, ‘cos Rudy had come down and like hung out at your house a couple of times right

Bert Kreischer

So Rudy Guede was eh a local

Erm he played basketball

Like did sort of pick up basketball

With erm

In the local like basketball court that was in front of the university

And that was really near by my house

So the guys that lived in the apartment downstairs from us often would play basketball with him

Like pick-up games

Amanda Knox

And those were like two law students right

Bert Kreischer

So no

So the two law students that you’re thinking of are the other two room mates that I had besides Meredith

Amanda Knox

Okay

Bert Kreischer

Those are two Italian women

Amanda Knox

Oh, oh okay

I thought those were dudes

I must have clumped them in

Okay

Yeah

Bert Kreischer

Yeah

So we lived on the top floor of a house

And on the bottom floor there lived four guys

And they were all just doing their thing

Eh it was a separate apartment situation

But we would occasionally go out to dinner together

Or like go out to a club together

Like, it just

You know, household dynamics

But they would go and play basketball

And have pick up games with whoever was there

Including Rudy Guede

And occasionally those people would come over to their house

And one time Rudy Guede came to their house

And they invited us to come downstairs

And that’s when we met Rudy Guede

Amanda Knox

And Rudy, kind of

If I’m not mistaken

He had a crush on you

Bert Kreischer

That’s what they say

I don, I didn’t know that

Apparently after we went and like hung out with them for a few minutes

They were

They sort of

After a while me and Meredith just went back upstairs

It was time to go to bed

And afterwards it was when they were sort of talking about us

And Giacomo one of the guys downstairs had a crush on Meredith

So I’m sure that they brought that up

And maybe Rudy Guede said something about me

That’s at least what was said

When I, I was on trial

But no one ever told me that

I didn’t even actually know his name until I was already arrested

Amanda Knox

Really

Bert Kreischer

Yeah

Amanda Knox

Roberta Glass Goes Over Peter Hyatt’s Statement Analysis & A Transcript Of Curt Knox’s 20th November 2007 Capanne Prison Visit Referring To Rudy Guede

Roberta Glass from the Roberta Glass True Crime Report has a new 2023 series on Amanda Knox, which can be found by tapping on the button below;

Roberta’s two YouTube videos below go over Amanda Knox’s evidence regarding her and Rudy Guede and are worth watching and listening to.

At around 48:00 of Roberta Glass’s video Amanda Knox Changes Her Story Again! (below), Roberta goes over Peter Hyatt’s statement analysis of Amanda’s statement regarding a shower she said she had with Raffaele Sollecito and how they “..had a shower and we washed ourselves for a long time” and that Raffaele “cleaned my ears, he dried and combed my hair”;

Previous Blogs Including Amanda Knox & The Cult Like “Wrongful Conviction” Movement

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The Release Of Adnan Syed: Don’t Call It A Fraud!

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Killer Luke Mitchell: Could David Wilson ‘Suffer’ From Hybristophilia? (Part 176)

To Commit An Outrage Against Someone

The word hybristophilia was apparently derived from the Greek word hubrizein meaning “to commit an outrage against someone” and seemingly links back to a man called John Money who is said to have been a pro-pedophile pervert.

Hybristophilia appears to have been bastardized over the years and was used by David Wilson in a November 2021 article he wrote for the Daily Record headed We need to stop our caged killers getting fan mail from groupies where he stated in part;

Photo of David Wilson from the Herald

Having worked with a number of high profile, media-savvy offenders in prison I became immediately aware of the phenomenon known as hybristophilia – the sexual interest that some women have for those who have committed violent crimes. 

Last month the Danes introduced a law to ban life-sentenced prisoners from receiving fan mail from new pen pals, and limiting their contact to friends that they had had before they were convicted for the first 10 years of their sentence.

As the Danish justice minister Nick Haekkerup said when introducing the bill, convicted criminals “should not be able to use prisons as dating centres, or media platforms.”

Excerpt by David Wilson from a Daily Record article headed We need to stop our caged killers getting fan mail from groupies dated 29th November 2021

Danish justice minister Nick Haekkerup also stated around the time;

We have seen distasteful examples in recent years of prisoners who have committed vile crimes contacting young people in order to gain their sympathy and attention

This must obviously be stopped

Excerpts from a Guardian article by Jon Henley headed Denmark to outlaw life sentence prisoners starting new romances dated 21st September 2021

In response to David Wilson’s article Innocence Fraud Watch tweeted the following;

What David Wilson @ProfDavidWilson omits to mention in his @Daily_Record article is the ‘fan mail’ of these killers also includes letters from lawyers, students, criminologists, authors, journalists & others

Do these individuals also suffer from the ‘hybristophilia’ phenomenon?

Cammilla Kurstein was a 17 year old schoolgirl who appears to have been exploited and groomed by psychopathic killer Peter Madsen after she apparently wrote to him wanting ‘to know what happened in the man’s head’

Interested to know why you would appear to attach the ‘hybristophilia’ phenomenon to a 17 year old school girl yet seemingly discount it (Or not recognise it) in some lawyers, students, criminologists, authors & journalists etc. who also write letters to killers

Excerpts by Innocence Fraud Watch here

Media Savvy” Convicted Murderers

David Wilson has seemingly done a 180 degree turn on his “…convicted criminals ‘should not be able to use prisons as dating centres, or media platforms” spiel, and has added his support to 14 year old Jodi Jones’ murderers’ fraudulent public relations (PR) spin campaign and written a bizarre article for the Scottish Herald.

David Wilson made the following obscene statement;

..there is literally nothing – nothing – I could uncover that warranted Luke even being charged with Jodi’s murder, never mind being sent to trial

Excerpt by David Wilson for The Herald dated 12th April 2023

In January 2005 Rosalind McInness wrote an article for the BBC headed A uniquely hard case, in which she referred to some of the difficulties reporters faced reporting on the murderers 42 day trial.

This included “protecting vulnerable participants”, like the other young teenage girls who gave evidence about the violent assaults they had suffered at the hands of the then future killer..

After his murder trial, it came to light that other girls had been threatened with a knife held to their throats by Luke Mitchell, who clearly had an undiagnosed “conduct disorder with callous-unemotional traits”.

Tap on the below link to read about some of the facts which came to light regarding the murderers apparent undiagnosed “conduct disorder with callousunemotional traits

When Luke Mitchell decided to commit his murder, he “repeatedly struck” Jodi Jones “on the head and body, compressed her throat and restricted her breathing and caused her to fall to the ground”.

He took his brown handled folding Jack Pyke knife, or “something of this ilk” and slashed Jodi Jones throat, “cutting the main artery in her neck seven-eights of the way through”.

Jodi Jones “jugular vein had also been cut right through and the main nerve had also been nicked”. The knife “slash” had “gone through all three structures”, and according to professor Anthony Busuttil this was “fatal almost immediately”.

Tap on the link below to read more on sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s murder TIMELINE;

Duplicitous Gaslighter & Fraud Sandra Lean Has Misrepresented The Facts Of The Case & Placed A False & Misleading Narrative Into The Public Domain

David Wilson started his Herald article with;

I’ve never needed to be convinced that miscarriages of justice happen in Scotland.

Excerpt by David Wilson for The Herald dated 12th April 2023

Jodi Jones’ murderer PR spin campaign is yet another example of the very real innocence fraud phenomenon, not the outdated “miscarriage of justice” phenomenon.

There has not been a “breach of the carriage of justice” in this case!

The PR spin campaign is one of fraud ie; “intentional deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain”.

There are many examples in Scotland of the innocence fraud phenomenon and the sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s is up there as one of the worst examples.

The PR spin campaign has been headed up by a duplicitous gaslighter and fraud called Sandra Lean, who did not attend the 42 day trial. For around 16 years or so, Sandra Lean has misrepresented the actual facts of the case, which is something she has form for in several other cases and PR spin campaigns.

This ongoing blog series has debunked a lot of Sandra Lean’s nonsense and propaganda. The Index can be found by tapping on the link below;

Blagging

What is extremely interesting about David Wilson’s article, is that he chose to omit to mention Sandra Lean’s name and instead claimed;

I have been able to: read transcripts from Luke’s trial; consult various appeals that were made on his behalf; looked at a range of newspaper commentary (some of which supported his conviction); watched Murder in a Small Town and also part of the Trials that Shocked Scotland series; listened to a podcast about the case – which also devoted most of an episode to Luke Mitchell speaking from prison (and he clearly is an intelligent man); and delved into some social media – which I can assure you is not for the faint-hearted.

Excerpt by David Wilson for The Herald dated 12th April 2023

David Wilson was telling porkie pies when he stated;

I have been able to: read transcripts from Luke’s trial..

Excerpt by David Wilson for The Herald dated 12th April 2023

What transcripts could David Wilson have possibly been able to read, given the fact there are no transcripts available to read in the public domain, and a large volume of evidence heard during the trial has never been transcribed.

Innocence Fraud Watch are of the firm opinion David Wilson was, and is blagging.

David Wilson’s following statement was also interesting, as it appears to have been about Jane Hamilton and he appears to have attempted to throw her under the bus;

…looked at a range of newspaper commentary (some of which supported his conviction)

Excerpt by David Wilson for The Herald dated 12th April 2023

Jane Hamilton wrote a few articles in 2021, calling out the two part innocence fraud propaganda TV show called Murder In A Small Town, referred to by David Wilson.

As a result Jane Hamilton was subjected to a malicious and fabricated smear campaign orchestrated by Sandra Lean; something else she has form for.

The TV show rewrote history and the narrative told was based on the false and misleading narrative told by Sandra Lean in her second innocence fraud book, which she callously called ‘Innocent’s Betrayed’ (David Wilson published a book in 2002 called ‘Innocence Betrayed’).

The podcast David Wilson referred to, was also based on Sandra Lean’s false and misleading narrative, which Innocence Fraud Watch will be addressing in due course;

It would be interesting to learn what ‘social media’ David Wilson was referring to, as it is clear he did not carry out any due diligence. Sandra Lean is not a reliable narrator and source and has told no end of lies.

David Wilson does however appear to have noticed one lie perpetuated by Sandra Lean, and the murderer and his mother Corinne Mitchell, as he stated;

..nor is it true that his clothing was destroyed by his mother after the event

Excerpt by David Wilson for The Herald dated 12th April 2023

On page 34 of her innocence fraud book Sandra Lean stated;

..according to the prosecution..

Luke then coolly returned home and had his mother destroy a parka jacket he wore during the attack, in a log burner in the back garden and between them, they arranged for the disposal of the murder weapon

Sandra Lean – Page 34 IB

The prosecution never told the jury that Corinne Mitchell had burned her sons parka jacket in the back garden. This was another manufactured innocence fraud narrative;

Alan Turnbull prosecuting, also told the jury at the High Court in Edinburgh that Mitchell, 16, thought he was ‘untouchable’.

He said Jodi’s injuries had been “inflicted with calm deliberation

He added:

“Her killer had a cold, calculating presence of mind and it is not difficult to look to Luke Mitchell as her killer. He discussed these awful events in a TV interview with not a tear, not a quiver, not the slightest indication of upset”

He said Mitchell even had the presence of mind to plot his defence immediately after the murder by phoning Jodi’s home and burning a parka he had worn during the attack.

Excerpt from the Daily Record by Ian Dow article headed Murder jury hear of morbid interests dated January 2005

DS Craig Dobbie stated;

We know clothes were missing from Luke’s wardrobe and we know the burner was used

Was the clothing burned? It’s a distinct possibility

Statements made by DS Craig Dobbie reported by Jack Mathieson for the Daily Record dated 22nd January 2005

Another lie told by Sandra Lean is as follows;

Judith’s claim that she woke Joseph at around 10.30pm, because Jodi was missing, was clearly mistaken – it was not until 10.40pm that Judith discovered Jodi had not been with Luke

Sandra Lean – page 89 IB

Judith Jones sent a text message to killer Luke Mitchell’s phone at 10:20pm, reported by the Herald here.

Sandra Lean also stated in her book;

Something is very wrong here. Judith did not know and could not have told anyone else that Jodi had not been with Luke that evening, until after she hung up the call with Luke at 10.42:40pm

Sandra Lean – page 142 IB

Sandra Lean’s bare faced lies about Jodi Jones’ loved ones are abhorrent and they are intentional, told to mislead, deceive and gaslight anyone who doesn’t have a basic comprehension of the facts of the case.

David Wilson appears to be an egomaniac with no scruples who has jumped on the bandwagon of a lost cause and has used his waning “celebrity” status in an attempt to keep himself relevant.

David Wilson is a hypocrite who has committed an outrage to Jodi Jones’ memory, to Jodi Jones loved ones, and he has committed an outrage to all the other innocent people caught up in this blatant innocence fraud PR spin campaign.

Link to Part 177 here

Killer Luke Mitchell: Question Time For Confidence Trickster Sandra Lean (Part 171)

*Guest Blog*

But they also heard from another source, that a deal was made not to use DNA evidence, although this was never confirmed and there seemed to be no logical reason for the defence agreeing to such a deal

Excerpt from pahe 198 of Sandra Lean’s 2nd book IB

Question time Sandra Lean…

This is from IB, P.198.

This is 2018, and it is nonsense, is it not? That one still refuses to acknowledge that this agreement has without doubt, been confirmed many times.

Let me apply the correct context, for people to see, just how different this is, when in context.

Luke Mitchell heard an agreement taken place at his trial, one made in his presence between Donald Findlay and Alan Turnbull.

The basis of the agreement was, to not discuss further, DNA, which was not going to be used as evidence…. Evidence of existence but not evidence of murder.

So, they took, certain DNA, they agreed the following fully, “That there was nothing found that could not be innocently explained away” NO DNA, that could be used in connection with any crime being committed, such as the murder. That applies to anyone.

Now let us look at the following – “There was no forensic evidence linking Luke Mitchell to the murder

Not and never, that there was no DNA of Luke Mitchell’s present.

Two separate entities.

Question – Did you ask Luke Mitchell who the source of the was? If not then why not?

Or, alternatively, did you not have to ask him for you already knew who the source was? –

We don’t require a question as answer, just a straight forward answer to the w rusk question, please.

To blank source, to apply the word evidence – Transforms the reality around the forensics, the samples obtained and tested.

In brief it gives room at all times to manipulate away from the truth, does it not?

Link to Part 172 here

The Innocence Fraud Of Sadistic Killer Luke Mitchell: Mizaru With Sonia Poulton & Sandra Lean & The Ramage Inc Gig & Missing Jacket (170)

*Guest Blog*

The latest this morning – Seriously, same old over and over again. 

We can’t appeal around “hidden” samples from a murder victims body because only testing will reveal if it is new evidence. Shall we have that again?

We can’t appeal around “hidden” samples from a murder victims body because only testing will reveal if it is new evidence! –

Oops, forget the part where the claim is that they were never tested, seriously, samples taken from a murder victims body never tested –

As, bloody if, and these are samples gathered in the first instance, the morning of July 1st. 

Gullible – Seriously?

You won’t know what the samples are if they were never tested or hidden?’ –

We do, there is semen and sperm! Damn those clever little blighters, they do not need testing, they self identify! 

Of course the samples were tested, of course they were NEVER hidden from anyone –

Let us apply reality here, IF there was actually the discovery of undisclosed forensic samples it would be massive, it would open up many floodgates, it is bollocks, as per. 

The naughty policeman said “Oops” we destroyed those!

And again, the only thing illegal to happen here, without a doubt, by any form of admittance, is the destruction of someones property. Several times I have asked the question now and do so again – 

Did the police destroy personal belongings of Luke Mitchell or his family without consulting with him first?

For I would bet my bottom dollar there lies that fragment truth of illegal destruction of anything, a civil matter where new legal representation would gain legal aid to help with this –

It really does all fit into place, for NOTHING else does. no wrong doing where it counts. 

And again, there was no putting a stop to samples in a lab being destroyed, they would not have been up for destruction in the first place. 

Full disclosure still to date – Here is our list, our long long list All intact for you all to see! –

Those loud bells!

To add – The latest again via Luke Mitchell, to just keep letting it all out there, because there is no inroad for any legal action, the usual hype to keep focus on support. The forever claims of keeping it all under wraps for future legal proceedings, mmmmm. 

What will NOT all be let out there of course, is anything to do with him directly, not his long statement on July 1st, not those actual forensic reports for all to see for themselves. Just the bog standard usual selections to suit ———-

And not the accurate reports from the SCCRC.

Samples “believed to be —-” Just like those within those lists, odd that! 

That gig on the 13th of June, and as has been confirmed, not one but two people who actually recorded it –

Front of stage far right in front. Luke Mitchell with Philip Mitchell by his side, he is wearing that army style, khaki jacket! –

Perhaps now with all falling flat yet again, that footage may very well make its way into the public domain, fully! 

Tap on links below to read more about the Ramage Inc Gig and garden fires;

But it is not the one taken from Woodburn, tested one would assume for that very reason, to eliminate all possibility of Luke Mitchell making any such claims. Just a thought —- 

It is however been spoken of more and more, only this morning posted on Twitter – I had said before, whilst many people fall under the spell of the hype, here are many more who doubt the whole lot because of that jacket alone, the many people who knew it existed pre-murder.

If one is denying all knowledge of that then it stands to reason no trust can be placed anywhere else –

(Original posts here)

Tap on the link below to read more on sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s ‘intimate partner femicide’ timeline:

Link to Part 171 here

Killer Luke Mitchell: Sandra Lean & WAP – A Forum That Did The Very Thing It Was Titled As, Wrongly Accusing Multiple People (Part 161)

*Guest Blog*

This knowing a case inside out and upside down, no you don’t.

Where you should of course know the every movement by the Mitchell’s, you don’t and it is this that tells people a lot.

Seriously?

Someone puts something up and you are on it with the biggest hypocrisy ever –

There has been nothing but lies put out around Luke Mitchell v Her Majesty’s Advocate

This psychological approach of placing focus elsewhere, pushing out a false narrative, to have the unsuspecting public, fools for the most part swallow it up without batting an eye.

And when I say fools I mean those from the comments such as Ron M.

Tap on links below to read more on Ron M;

The nonsense around, this is going to be the year, the truth is finally out there –

Done to bloody death, same shit different day, different set of unsuspecting fools.

Same BS of the time is up, the real killer/s must be frantic with worry now –

Was doing the rounds in the day of WAP, a forum that did the very thing it was titled as, wrongly accusing multiple people of all sorts. It is not new, it only has more fools pushing it out.

What the public actually want, those with sense, is evidence!

They want to be shown without any doubt, they want to be shown without any doubt, that the evidence that convicted Luke Mitchell was wrong.

It cannot be done which is why this focus is placed elsewhere, to prevent discussion around the actual evidence that brought about Luke Mitchell’s conviction.

So, for all of you here who say you know this case inside out and upside down –

Let’s discuss evidence and see what it is you actually feel you do know?

Instead of deflecting on to every Tom, Dick and bloody Harry.

Sandra Lean is lurking so out you come Ms Lean and let us talk evidence openly for all to see.

Scott Forbes, sadly the invite is not to you, you know less about the evidence in this case than your average Joe Bloggs.

A vessel purely to push out exactly what Luke Mitchell commands.

And spare us the, nothing to do with him – it has everything to do with him, it is exactly what he stated he was going to do just after that TV show.

Where you and Sandra Lean, just like Corinne Mitchell and Sandra Lean, are contradicting each other on repeat!

Or if the wonderful Sandra Lean does not openly want to openly discuss where there is nothing controlled, then any of the minions here will do to kick it off.

Let us actually hear what you actually know about this case, of the actual case of Luke Mitchell v HMA.

Or alternatively, one can join a forum to do so, there is the Bamber forum or the MOJ one with John Lamberton.

Or Sandra Lean can come back to the blue forum to continue our discussions –

Nothing to be afraid of now, is there?

Not interested in a controlled to the max Facebook group, a jumped up version I hear of what the WAP used to be…

I’ve been asking them for years, No-one can give me an answer. Strange considering they know all the “facts”. No-one can tell me Luke’s timeline for that evening.

(Original post/s here)

Link to Part 162 here

Killer Luke Mitchell: Innocence Fraud Pusher & Hoaxer Sandra Lean (Part 120)

Sandra Lean

Marty;

You have made it abundantly clear that my posts are “totties“, still to fathom what this means.
I’ll take a guess here and assume it is not complimentary.
Amongst numerous posts I have put forward – there lies some of these examples. 
Now perhaps would be a good time to read them, if you can be bothered of course. 
I will however take the time to give you a handful of examples, from the list of 47 I have, to date.

Here, is a post that someone made, in response to Sandra Leans podcast.
Tell me if you believe this to be a lie, misleading or blatant misrepresentation of the facts, that Sandra Lean put out?
That warranted the following response; 

I am shocked that the police took a polaroid photo of Luke Mitchell and showed only that photo to a witness.
This is not allowed and police should have shown a selection of photographs.
What they did was suggestive and leading.

We know of course that Andrina Bryson was shown 12 pictures not just one – it was a photo identification process. 
Now for this, it is irrelevant how a person may feel about these 12 pictures.
Is this a lie, misleading, blatant misrepresentation of the facts? 
The truth, the fact is, she was shown 12 pictures.
Used to imply that Andrina Bryson was shown one picture only – it worked with the above poster. 

Both Corinne Mitchell and Sandra Lean state that the search trio “had to walk passed Yvonne Walker’s whilst heading directly to the path”
Is this a lie, misleading, blatant misrepresentation of the facts?

The relevant point, is not – what these two feel this search trio should have done, the relevant point is the blatant misrepresentation of facts. 
That fact is, the truth is – they did not have to walk passed here, they would have had to walk backwards to do so.
Used, to imply this search trio, should have popped in to this lady’s house whilst walking passed it.  

“The search trio had to come from the top of Mayfield”
Is this a lie, misleading, blatant misrepresentation of the facts? 
The truth is, the fact is – this search trio came from a bottom end of Mayfield.
Used to imply this search trio had much further to walk. 

“Steven Kelly was only alibied by his girlfriend Janine Jones
Is this a lie, misleading, blatant misrepresentation of the facts?
The truth, the fact is, Steven Kelly was in the company of both his girlfriend and father. 

Several witnesses were identified as having been on the path at the critical time that evening. In total there were a minimum of five – John Ferris, Gordon Dickie, his father, David Dickie, Stephen Kelly, a witness who claimed to have heard a disturbance behind the wall, and the “mystery man” seen following Jodi onto the path. Yet of the four who have spoken to police, none makes any mention of having seen either Luke or”

Sandra Lean – excerpt from her discredited book No Smoke published in 2007/08

Is this a lie, misleading, blatant misrepresentation of the facts?

Sandra Lean explained this away – claiming that all she had to go on, were, media reports and court transcripts. 
And the word of both Luke and Corinne Mitchell.
Was that a lie, misleading, blatant misrepresentation of the facts, as;
In this very same book, we have; 

Careful examination of these statements, however, reveals that crucial aspects of them cannot possibly be true

Sandra Lean – excerpt from her discredited book No Smoke published in 2007/08

Therefore Marty – around my various pieces of written work, It interests me, as to what motivates a person – repeatedly;
To lie, to mislead and blatantly misinform people. 
Amidst these studies – I have gained further insight into this case, and realise, fundamentally, why suspicion upon Luke, fell.
I have come to a conclusion, in part – as to why these lies and so forth, are pushed out – in this case.
That there is little, in the way of actual evidence – to prove that Luke is innocent.
Therefore the above – may be used for multiple purpose, but only the perpetrators, know the truth behind their own reasoning.
Only they know the answer. 
Unfortunately – is this claimed search for the truth, for Justice – the truth itself is not being put forward. Is this Just, to do so?.

Information about the leading nature of the photographs shown to Andrina Bryson has been in the public domain since 2008. Top experts have commented on how misleading the photo spread was -John Scott, for example, said they didn’t have an arrow pointing to his head, but they may as well have done. Was John Scott lying, misleading or blatantly misrepresenting the facts?

Sandra Lean

Sandra Lean, yet again, shimmies away from the point – the point being, that this campaign is wrought with lies and misleading information. 
Ignores what I have said completely – highlights John Scott, who is not being misleading, as he is discussing the 12 pictures. 
And it is ok for Sandra Lean to lie and mislead – as the information is available to the public?
So it is OK to lie – people can see the truth elsewhere, if they can be bothered.
Therefore the lies matter not – no harm done? 
Messy.

Did they check Yvonne’s flat to see if Jodi was there? No, they didn’t. Had Jodi been found in Yvonne’s flat previously when she was not where she was supposed to be? Yes, she had. Was Janine sent to walk the couple of minutes to Yvonne’s to see if Jodi was there on previous occasions? Yes, she was. So why not that night? Why not, since they were out anyway, take the couple of minutes to check the flat?

Sandra Lean

And again – completely ignores the point. 
Of the blatant lies being told by both Sandra Lean and Corinne Mitchell.
And gives her opinion instead, of what she FEELS should have happened. 
Thus believing her lies are justified? 
The lie being “That the search trio HAD to walk passed YW’s whilst heading DIRECTLY to the path

I have repeatedly put out the police timings for the walk from Alice’s house to the junction of the paths and the V point – the length of time that walk took is a fact that matters. If Luke was at the Newbattle end of the path at 10.59 and this family didn’t leave Alice’s house until 11.05 at the earliest, they could not have been at the junction of the paths prior to 11.25pm FACT.

Sandra Lean

And again – excuses the lies, justifies them on behalf of Corinne Mitchell.
The lie is “That the search trio had to walk from the top of Mayfield
The relevant point – is the lies.
That the people campaigning for innocence.
Are lying.
Messy.  

Steven Kelly was only alibied by his girlfriend Janine Jones
The truth, the fact is, Steven Kelly was in the company of both his girlfriend and father

Parky41

Until 2014, that claim was not made known to the defence. Why not?

Sandra Lean

Rubbish: Let us digest and dissect that a little. 
First of all, power of attorney (POA), does not excuse Sandra Lean from being – overtly defensive of Luke, to the point of lying repeatedly.
Putting herself in the shoes, of being his defence does not equate to – “that claim was not made known to the defence”
Let us step back to 2004-5.
Steven Kelly, his statements.
Janine Jones, her statements.
Mr Kelly (Steven Kelly’s father) – his statement.
The defence – Findlay and Co.
Access to these statements.
Precognitions. 
The SCCRC.
So whilst Sandra Lean claims – not to have actually read this fathers statement.
It does not equate to the defence not being aware of this alibi.
Is Sandra Lean, yet again, simply excusing herself here – from those very lies.
Caught in her own web of deceit.
More so – even IF Sandra Lean did not read this statement until 2014 it is 2019.
Corinne Mitchell also – still lying for 5yrs at least? 
Messy.

Several witnesses were identified as having been on the path at the critical time that evening. In total there were a minimum of five – John Ferris, Gordon Dickie, his father, David Dickie, Stephen Kelly, a witness who claimed to have heard a disturbance behind the wall, and the “mystery man” seen following Jodi onto the path. Yet of the four who have spoken to police, none makes any mention of having seen either Luke or”
Is this a lie, misleading, blatant misrepresentation of the facts?

Sandra Lean – excerpt from her discredited book No Smoke published in 2007/08

That was a typo for which I apologised and took immediate steps to correct. No lie, no blatant misrepresentation, a simple error

Sandra Lean

And yet again, excusing herself as this being a simple error, typo.
The typo may be – Steven Kelly rather than Leonard Kelly.–a typo of several letters not one of course. Very odd typo.
David Dickie was not on this path at the crucial time – the crucial time, being between 5 and 5.30pm. 
The mystery man was not seen following Jodi onto this path.
And completely ignores the reason (lie perhaps) she gave before for this.
Of this being prior to having the case papers, of becoming POA.
In this very same chapter of the book – she refers to reading the case papers. 
The statements.
Messy.

I have come to a conclusion, in part – as to why these lies and so forth, are pushed out – in this case…. but only the perpetrators, know the truth behind their own reasoning

Parky41

So what is your conclusion, Parky? Just because you choose to interpret information as lies, misleading or “blatant misrepresentation” doesn’t make it so.

Sandra Lean

And again – only Sandra Lean and Corinne Mitchell will know the reasons behind these lies, behind those blatant misrepresentations of the facts.
For that is what they are – no interpretation needed.

So after sifting through 16years of someones work trying to catch them out, this utter pish is all you can come up with in your writings😂😂😂. Idont know what or who your supposed to be but how long have you wasted on that muck.
You cant win the arguement mate so turning you venom to hate. Just for the record nearly everyposter on here has admitted to not reading your posts at some point wonder why? I have just wasted my time on points that have been answered time and time again. But not from professor parky of course.

Marty

Marty:

Perhaps a simple thank you would have been more appropriate. 
I do however agree, that these lies, blatant misrepresentation of facts, are indeed – “utter pish
Whilst is may be admiral, to jump, to only Sandra Leans defence in your attack upon myself personally, not just my post. 
Reading through these forums, online evidence and so forth – has been a far cry from sifting through 16rs of Sandra Leans work. 
The lies and so forth, in abundance from these alone – plain for all to see, if they take the time. 
One therefore dreads to imagine, how much more there is – amongst those 16yrs of actual work. 
Such strong, personal words to use of “venom to hate” towards someone, who has highlighted some of these. 
One’s time would be better served, checking what they post – prior to joining forces, of promoting lies and misinformation. 
Just a suggestion, of course. 
No arguments to be won Marty, how petty and somewhat futile to enter into some form of game play, of scoring points. 
It matters not who may read what I post Marty – it does however matter from the campaigners side, who may read or listen to them. 
Perhaps the reason why this campaign has gotten no-where, when it is founded upon lies, blanket misinformation. 
Those very people who seek truth and Justice are neither truthful or Just in their actions, do you not feel that is wrong? That something is amiss?
Silly question really – when you, yourself have treated people unjustly, an innocent man from a funeral directors, being but one. 
If you, were truly just the messenger of this “slipped, cat out of the bag info” Do you feel you were being used Marty?
Someone to pedal their wares, so to speak.- wares in the form of misinformation, lies? 
Coughing up this coffin information – mistakenly, coughing up “utter pish” to boot?
Flying with the craws Marty?
Yet to see any explanation for the lies Marty – just some steadfast shimmying around them. 

(Original forum posts here)

Link to Part 121 here

Killer Luke Mitchell & Malignant Narcissist Sandra Lean’s Killer Cult (Part 118)

Sandra Lean

Dan Neuharth wrote and published an article in March 2017 headed;

‘14 Ways Narcissists Can Be Like Cult Leaders’

Below are excerpts from Dan Neuharth’s article and are relevant to psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell and innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean;

The tactics some narcissists use to get their way in personal relationships can be strikingly similar to the coercive tactics used by destructive cult leaders.

If you have a spouse, family member, friend, or boss who is narcissistic, ask yourself whether any of the following 14 characteristics of destructive cults parallel your relationship with the narcissist.

1. Cult leaders act larger than life. They are viewed as innately good, possessing special wisdom, answerable to no one, with no one above them.

2. Cult members rights are subjugated for the good of the group, leader, or cause. Members are told that what the cult wants them to do is for their own good, even if it is self-destructive.

3. An Us vs. Them attitude prevails.Outsiders are viewed as dangerous or enemies. This turns members focus outward, reducing the chances they will spot problems within the cult. In addition, viewing others as enemies is used to justify extreme actions because of thedangers outsiders pose.

4. The leader or cause becomes all-important. Members devote inordinate amounts of time to the leader and group, leaving little time for self-care or reflection.

5. Feelings are devalued, minimized, or manipulated. Shame, guilt, coercion, and appeals to fear keep members in line. Members are led to discount their instincts and intuition and told to seek answers from the leader or cult’s teachings. Overtime, members can lose touch with their previous habits and values.

6. Questioning and dissent are not tolerated. Having doubts about the leader or cult is considered shameful or sinful. Members are told that doubts or dissent indicate something wrong with the member.

7. The ends justify the means. The rightness of the leader and cult justifies behavior that violates most peoples standards for ethics and honesty. In the zealotry of the cult, anything goes.

8. Closeness to the cult and leader is rewarded while distance is punished. Temporary ostracism is used to punish behavior that doesnt conform to group rules. Members fear being estranged from the group and losing their identities and the benefits of group membership.

9. Cult members are on an endless treadmill of becoming. Only the cult leader is considered perfect. All other members must strive to emulate the leader. Most cults are set up so that members can never achieve this perfection, which keeps them dependent.

10. Lies are repeated so often they seem true. The cult leader cannot be wrong and never needs to apologize.

11. Cult leaders enrich themselves at members expense. Members are encouraged or coerced into gratifying the leaders needs by giving up time, money, and more.

12. Communication is coercive or deceptive. Things are not always what they seem. This fosters confusion, leaving members vulnerable. When confused, they seek solace from the aura of certainty the leader seems to possess.

13. Sameness is encouraged. Certain kinds of appearance, behavior, and cult terms and language become the norm for members. Over time, members come to identify themselves as part of an entity rather than as individuals.

14. Doing what the leader wants is presented as the path to enlightenment or happiness. In time, this leads members to give up their old habits and norms. They live in a bubble, filtering out information that might weaken their resolve. Read more here

Link to Part 119 here

Killer Luke Mitchell: Was Shane Mitchell Disposing Of Evidence? (Part 117)

*Guest Blog*

If Luke was guilty he would, indeed, have blood on him. That last desperate fight of Jodi’s, evidenced by the blood on the branches. The removal of the clothes and the constraining of her arms…no avoiding blood contamination there…..and yet….and yet…absolutely no mention of blood contamination by Rosemary Walsh and Lorraine Fleming on the boy they saw standing, in his murderer’s mantle, leaning on the gate without a care in the world. Odd that. No mention of a bloodstained boy bolting across the road, trying to put as much distance between himself and the scene of his horrific crime by any of those occupants of the numerous cars passing by. Most odd.

By your reckoning and description “murderer’s mantle” – Completely removes this male, whomever you may have thought him to be – as having any connection at all – to this murder.

That complete distancing. Just a guy at a gate? 

Not Luke Mitchell having just darted across this Road becoming aware of a car. – stopping in his tracks.

Not to be running, not to be hopping over beyond this gate – not to be seen as fleeing from somewhere?

For this male wasn’t simply leaning on this gate – this male looked up to no good. – attempting to look inconspicuous.

He was seen and this sighting can not be taken away.

And Lorraine Fleming and Rosemary Walsh did not see any other male, hanging around the entrance of Newbattle Abbey crescent on the wall.

And of the jogger, and the Esk walkway, which is between the gate and Barondale cottage.

It is only when you attempt to make time stand still can you discount the sighting of both the male and jogger together.

Of bending what both said completely out of shape. –

But of course, you are saying 100% that you have not read the defence papers.

That you have not witnessed any of this information first hand.  –

You are in effect saying, you will take any little snip bits and accept this as concrete proof of anything –

It is hardly surprising that you feel this case was wafer thin, and of sifting sand? –

Then of course, if you have actually read all of these defence papers, please say – we all have lots of questions for you?  

Are you now saying that Shane Mitchell possibly left home prior to 5.30pm, prior to Luke Mitchell.

Where are his 10 minutes or so waiting on dinner being finished cooked, from his second statement?

From saying hello to his mother on her arrival home at 5.05pm, of going upstairs for 10 minutes or so? of collecting dinner around 5.15pm?

But his mother did not get home until after 5.15pm? 

Taking us to around 5.25pm – then taking his dinner upstairs to eat?

Or are we fast forwarding him until around 6pm when Luke Mitchell was around Barondale cottages? –

Stand firm, and stand true to what you say. Don’t swap it around to suit? –

Just stick to the truth, it was a story and Luke Mitchell was not at home.

Why did Shane Mitchell travel into Oxgangs later that evening, after 9pm to get fuel?

As this is why he said he travelled there, to fuel up the car? –

Are there any scrap merchants near Oxgangs that Shane Mitchell used? A mechanic having access to this place? 

Why Oxgangs for fuel? there were many other stations to get fuel? Tesco just up the road?

Was Shane Mitchell disposing of evidence?

Why was Corinne Mitchell’s car spotted elsewhere?

Was Shane Mitchell driving it? When she claimed to be home all evening?

What are these new claims that her car was at the West end of this path later that evening? only being heard now?

Why are we not hearing about these reports from these witness’s who came forward?

Why is Sandra Lean dismissing these as being wrong or mistaken, or idle gossip? – but asking people to consider every other piece of hearsay? Or unproven claims that the defence sought not to use – why does she feel she is somewhat superior in intelligence to every expert in their field? 

Why are we not getting to see these statements from the Mitchells in full?

What is Corinne Mitchell and Sandra Lean hiding?

Has she thought about contacting any of Jodi’s family, asking if they can publish their statements in full? 

Far too much ambiguity around this excuse – can not publish, can publish what suits though?  

These questions that have been set – Are they a test from reading her book? Come up with as many answers as possible?

What Happened To Luke Mitchell’s Bike?

Why was the bike not forensically examined when the question should be –

What happened to the bike that Luke Mitchell swapped, that disappeared never to be seen again?

Was it taken to the above scrapyard, with the knife, and hey presto, gone?

Truth much closer to home perhaps? – multiple conversations on these forums of Shane Mitchell being a mechanic – I asked Sandra Lean and she said she was unaware that he was? – is this true or is she shimmying away from this as per? As with the V in the wall and Luke Mitchell.

Why did Luke Mitchell deny all knowledge of this V, of the woods, of carrying knives, of cannabis – of everything?

Answers to all of these lies should be given. –

A campaign for truth and Justice on what exactly?

One needs first and foremost the truth around the Mitchells. And one of those very questions is around this bike at the V – complete and utter nonsense, this is nothing more than desperation of need, to draw those claimed rag readers? Who are openly admitting they tried Luke Mitchell by media – kicking themselves now for being foolish. One saying that she is watching the documentary for the 10th time? She: And I quote:

I think Jodis sister has found out Jodi was sleeping with sk hence the dna on the tshirt…. Janine has went after Jodi.. Joe J (stalky man) has followed Jodi as he found out Janine now knows and hes came across Janine commiting the murder the clumps of hair being pulled out by the roots is more of a bitchy fight imo moped boys have been phoned by one of them to comes help clean up the mess.

LA

This is the level of intellect required – very similar to WW who can not say who it was?

I Just wanted to highlight the reasoning and intellect here – So we have Janine Jones going after Jodi, then Joe Jones following Jodi then he comes across one sister murdering the other? What the hell happened to Janine Jones who was also following her? – And this person is an admin?? Another header of this campaign? 

What happened to the bike that John Ferris saw at the East end of the path? on the school railings?

Did Luke Mitchell return for it later that evening?

Did Corinne Mitchell or Shane Mitchell collect it?

Did they take it to a scrapyard?

All this mud slinging stemming from Sandra Leans very clear and precise details of her anomalies in this case – mainly of these others.

Yet again, she is doing a startling job is she not? – I wonder what this LA: above made of the red wine scenario?

(Original forum post here)

Link to Part 118 here

Killer Luke Mitchell: DNA – Once You Are Caught In A Web Of Deceit It Is Almost Impossible To Escape (Part 116)

*Guest Blog*

One positive of Sandra Lean’s second book is the intensity of the spinning now required by Sandra Lean on a larger scale.

The more she is asked questions the more she highlights just how lacking she really is.

Common sense and intellect are not evident.

The half truths and the explanations are a shambles. 

I have mentioned this several times now, it matters not who pays heed to this.

For some people there is no attempt at changing horses mid stream.

Once you are caught in a web of deceit it is almost impossible to escape.

Allowing oneself first and foremost to become entangled out of sheer foolishness will not change.

Some common sense first: –

Luke Mitchell was arrested some 10 months after Jodi’s murder.

If you have already been tangled up in the nonsense of tunnel vision, of setting out to fit Luke Mitchell up from the moment that 999 call was made. Read no further. 

DNA – I am going to start here with the infamous bra strap –

Sandra Leans favourite for spinning with.

Of only recently again making claim, to some markers belonging to 4/5 others closely linked to the investigation.

Here is the half truth, that there were common markers.

To be common they have to sit in the same place.

You may have already read Chris’s technical terms around this.

We can stick with markers here.

To include someone as a donor there can be NO markers present that do not match theirs.

These others that Sandra Lean includes with markers, were EXCLUDED as being a donor.

There were markers present NOT belonging to them.

Every marker, and there were several in place, the same as Luke Mitchells included him as the donor.

The bra strap was not unique to this, there were multiple partial profiles, all with the same markers siting in the same place as Luke Mitchells, all of these partials he could NOT be excluded as being the donor of.

Those law of averages, those multiples make it almost certain they were all Luke Mitchells.

Proven not, almost certain, yes.

Did it matter – yes it did, not for Luke Mitchell and his close relationship with Jodi, but of this murder NOT pointing to A another. That of a stranger. 

Doing the rounds and yet again not corrected.

This Cath Black claiming that the blood on David Dickie’s shoe was Jodi’s. Those arms and legs added with some of Luke Mitchells most avid supporters.

The type of support needed to ensure Luke Mitchell stays where he belongs. But of spinning and another posted of James Falconer’s DNA and the database:

Now I have picked up on this before, that any OTHER profiles present tell us clearly they do not belong to ANY of Sandra Leans others, (EX Steven Kelly) Robert Greens included or claimed ‘similar‘ crimes.

Where she is now putting out further half truths around this male.

Stating that he had been in trouble prior to his DNA flagging up in the system.

No shit, did the guy get stopped for speeding?

Any type of minor offence that did not warrant a DNA sample being taken.

Using this as a means to claim that anything at the time may NOT have been run through the database – BS. In Peter Pan land of some fantasy conspiracy theory, borne from those days of Jigsawman.

The powers on high were out to stitch that lad up – BS

Back to Luke Mitchell and that 10 month period in time.

Where anyone, with even a smidgeon of common sense, will see that there had to be sufficient evidence that warranted Luke Mitchell being and remaining the prime suspect in this murder.

Take your head out of any obtuse conspiracy theory and think.

This was 10 months, there was no rush, no drive to get a quick arrest, to nail someone for this murder. This brutal murder of a 14 year old girl.

Add in every other male that had been known through this. Steven Kelly, the duo, the brother, Mark Kane and that condom. All known almost instantly.

It does NOT matter that the duo and condom mans actual ID was not knowing to the police until after the 1st of July.

The duo were known to the police almost instantly. they knew that two youths had been seen near to the locus. They were instantly prime in this investigation.

The very reason that appeal was put out.

The ID of them knowing to the police within the week.

The condom and some real common sense, not Sandra Leans “he may have tried to put it in his pocket and dropped it.” Of the crow flies measurements and all else.

There was nothing that is 0 of his DNA at the immediate locus or in sight of it. If there had have been, it would have raised more than a ? with Donald Findlay.

Yes we know, Sandra Lean has him down as inadequate too.

This nonsense and the database, that profile upon the deceased’s shoe. Nothing flagged up and irrelevant. A sperm head (1) from a woodland, who would have thought?

Now to draw back to this DNA.

This person who has written a book where those who are that blinded, do not even pick up on the fact that there is actually no proper referencing to any witness statements.

Just that they come from the defence papers. And those forensic reports.

Blagging her way through any type of nonsense.

Where this further spinning is required.

She is being asked direct questions and the answer is “I never thought of that!

As we had with the female element of DNA present in semen.

Book written before any expertise given.

Blagging and further blagging.

This was the brutal murder of a 14yr old girl and the woman is blagging her way through a book.

Her sole aim, to draw the reader onto other possible people of interest.

To blag about them, the police, the defence and all else – to have a chapter in her book called “The agreed Facts!” which is the agreement made between Sandra Lean and Luke Mitchell.

Nothing to do with facts as we know it.

The most blatant half truth in it all. Luke Mitchells LIES labelled as FACTS.

(Original forum post here)

Link to Part 117 here